New gun, cant hit anything?

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I'm having a bit of trouble and thought I'd come to the experts. I bought a new Sig 2022 in 9mm awhile back and have just begun shooting it lately, but I'm finding I cant hit the broad side of a barn with it, were talking no more than 6-7 shots out of 10 on paper at 25 yards and in no particular grouping.

Thing is, I'm not really a bad shot... I can put em all on paper in a respectable grouping with my S&W K17 and I do pretty well with all the other handguns I've fired. And I can't really blame the gun either as other people have tried it and done quite well.

So if its not me, and its not the gun... whats going on?! :confused:
 
Try closer, I'm not familiar with that model of gun, but most centerfire handguns shine best at service distances. I can rapid fire a whole magazine into 5-6 inches at 7 yards with my glock 21sf. Try shooting 7 yards, then 10, work your way up to 25. That's a long way for someone unfamiliar with a gun. Basically, with mine, it took a while to figure out how to hold the gun, and what the sights meant about where the shot was going.
 
How are you shooting ? Stance, 1 hand vs. 2 hand grip, are you drawing and shooting from holster, are you shooting rapidly or slow firing, do you have a sight picture before you break each shot ????

I use to shoot IPSC (not very well... but i took the black badge and gained alot from the training), when i started we did alot of practice with just acquiring the correct sight picture and then dryfiring.

If you are already used to the grip/frame of one pistol then maybe the new pistols grip/frame is throwing you natural aim off ?

If it shoots consistently from a benchrest then its all in the practice on your part :)

Good luck !!
 
Oh, for the good old days, when 50m was handgun range...

Just joshin' - 25 is a fair hike.

I'm suspecting that you may be squeezing too hard with dominant hand, and the flex of your trigger finger is pulling you off target. Try squeezing 2/3 with support hand and 1/3 qith dominant hand. Might help.

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I'm having a bit of trouble and thought I'd come to the experts. I bought a new Sig 2022 in 9mm awhile back and have just begun shooting it lately, but I'm finding I cant hit the broad side of a barn with it, were talking no more than 6-7 shots out of 10 on paper at 25 yards and in no particular grouping.

Thing is, I'm not really a bad shot... I can put em all on paper in a respectable grouping with my S&W K17 and I do pretty well with all the other handguns I've fired. And I can't really blame the gun either as other people have tried it and done quite well.

So if its not me, and its not the gun... whats going on?! :confused:
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If you're used to the K17, you are likely having trigger control issues with you new Sig. As I'm sure you've noticed the trigger on the 2022 is significantly stiffer; you need to pay more attention to trigger control. You need to pull the trigger firmly and steadily - very different from the near hair-trigger SA pull of Smith revolvers. Sig also has a much wider grip than a K-frame revolver, which may be an issue if you have smaller hands.

You just need to spend more time familiarizing yourself with your new pistol, experiment with different grip types and practice trigger control. One day, it'll just hit you.
 
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I did a thread awhile ago about a chance I had to compare an SP2022 in 9mm to one of my P229R's in 9mm. The general jist of the thread was that the difference in accuracy between these two guns in probably overstated most of the time. The "classic" SIGs are probably a "nicer" gun (feel, look, etc.) for most people, but they are not really that much farther ahead in accuracy (if at all). These were the targets:

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This is the thread:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247831

I only have about 40 rounds down range on an SP2022 (the results of 20 of which are shown in that thread), whereas I have around 9,000 rounds down range in two 229's since I starte shooting them last summer - and the difference in accuracy is not much.

So... all of that droning on is meant to suggest that I think SP2022 in 9mm is a good accurate platform to start from.

Now... what is going on with your shooting? First of all, if you have a new gun or think you might be having any problems adjusting to the gun, don't shoot at 25m. You're just going to frustrate yourself. Start with around 7 yards. Move up from there as you get used to the gun.

Secondly... I've been shooting about 300 centrefire pistol rounds a week for 3 years now (since I finished law school and could afford it!). I've improved a lot in that time, but I still have to remind myself... if I am not willing to commit to good consistent technique on every shot fired, I should not have any expectation of good consistent results. Go back to your fundamentals and focus on them. Trigger control, proper strong hand and weak hand technique, stance, sight picture, concentration. I'm not here to tell you how to shoot, just focus on what has worked for you in the past. That is the best advice, I think.

The other thing is, remember that there is a limit to the practical accuracy of most of these handguns. I have been practicing hard to shoot fast and consistently tight groups. This was a nice set of groups I saved and measured out from last weekend. This is about the best I can do with my favorite gun, favorite ammo, with lots of practice:

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Another really nice 229 grouping I saved from ahwile back:
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That is the absolute best I can do with a 229 (and that is great shooting if I do say so myself), and the 229 is known as an accurate gun - and I could do almost the same with an SP2022 in my first 40 rounds of trying. So the moral of my story is.... focus on your technique and it will come around. That and move your target closer. Good luck.
 
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had same problem with beretta with 92fs hit center every time with 90-two could not hit from ten yards so i sold the 90-two
 
Unfortuantely I haven't bought an SP2022 yet, but I was still thinking about the whole "having difficulty shooting at 25 yards issue". Yesterday at the range, I was doing some experimenting with how I can shoot my 229 out to 25 yards. My conclusion is that, even if your 25 yards group is twice the size of your 10 yard group, that is still pretty good.

O.k., this is 10 yards, from yesterday. Everything is under 2 inches.
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At about 15 yards - the upper group is as good as the 10 yards groups... but the lower group is more typical for me at 15 yards. That upper group is a bit flukey. I was having a pretty good shooting day yesterday.
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And now, four different groups from 25 yards. These are not "cherry picked". Every target change I put up one of these and shot 5 rounds at it - and I only did this 4 times. Most of my shooting (as always) was a closer range (as right now I am primarily working on shooting faster). For 25 yard shooting, I just use one cirlce/point of aim - because I can't always hit the circle and I want to know how much I am missing by. One point of aim in the middle of the page helps me keep the rounds all on the paper. The groupings are 3-3/4; 5-1/4, 4-1/2, and 3-1/2. I think that is really good shooting for 25 yards. Every group is close to a 4 inch spread, and in none of these was I able to hit the circle with every shot.
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So, as an experiment:
10 yards - sub 2 inch is possible. Sub 1 inch if you are really good, and shooting a great gun with great ammo.

15 yards - Sub 2 inch is hard, but sub 3 inch is still good shooting.

25 yards - If you can keep your shots within a 5 inch circle (the circle in the photos is actually 4 and 3/4 diameter) you are doing pretty damn good in my view.

Now... as a control for "experience" (I'm not claiming to be a great shooter, but I practice alot and I have a lot more ammo downrange with this gun then my GF). This is the target of my girlfriend shooting 10 rounds at 25 yards with a SIG 229. She hit the paper with 8 out of 10 shots. 4 of those hits are "good", and a 5th one is "acceptable". Keep in mind that my GF never shoots at 25 yards, and is just starting to get comfortable enough to shoot at that range. She can put together nice groups at 10 yards.
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PeteL said:
Thanks for the responses guys, I guess I'll chalk this one up to "lack of determination" and get practicing.
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Before we just assume it's you I'd highly suggest you bench it and see what kind of group you get then.

Sig's are typically pretty good, but every company has a lemon every now and again. Maybe even your ammo choice is another factor. Some handguns like lighter bullets, other like heavy bullets. The best way is to test it out.
 
Retail cheap ammo (i.e. almost everything we buy) can suck big time at those distances... try at 10m and see how you are doing (I found that almost all ammo is comparable at this distance and decent).

Reload your own and try again if you want to see how accurate your guns is at 25m (benched).
 
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