New gun for my son

SuperCub said:
I'm an older guy who likes older/different cartridges The 300H&H, 257Roberts, 280 Remington, 275 Rigby etc. are few that I currently own. The 250 Savage is a very good cartridge. If I didn't already have the Roberts, I might have one of those instead.

Saying that, the 250 Savage has nothing to offer over the current rage 6.5CM in firearms selection, ammo selection, loading kit selection and if you're a long range shooter, ballistics. A young shooter would be hard pressed to make a better selection in these days.
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Given that it's a hundred years older than the current rages, they have nothing to offer over the 250Sav for a youth hunting rifle. A bone I have is that the 250 would also make a fine long distance target rifle if manufacturers afforded it the same opportunity in component availability... the same issue exists for the fine 277 caliber. Manufacturing shortages are not a reflection on a cartridges potential and capabilities. That aside, I'm middle aged and if I had fallen to fads in the past long grew out of that to acknowledge that there isn't much new under the sun: most of the old cartridges do everything just as good as tomorrows plagiarism so there is no point in jumping on each new bandwagon as it goes by.
 
New Camper said:
If their centerfires are of similar quality to rimfire, I'd be confident trying one: I have a Henry youth 22 and even had 6yo shooting it. Just remember that a light lever gun should be in a light caliber or it'll slam the kid when fired and he'll have a flinch in no time.

Something I say every time a thread like this appears: 250 Savage would be an ideal round... in a Remington Seven. Unfortunately all manufacturers are too busy schmoozing with some new cult caliber instead of filling an empty niche with an intelligent option that's been around for over a hundred years.
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How much of a difrerence is there between 250 Savage and 243 Win?
 
New Camper said:
Given that it's a hundred years older than the current rages, they have nothing to offer over the 250Sav for a youth hunting rifle. A bone I have is that the 250 would also make a fine long distance target rifle if manufacturers afforded it the same opportunity in component availability... the same issue exists for the fine 277 caliber. Manufacturing shortages are not a reflection on a cartridges potential and capabilities. That aside, I'm middle aged and if I had fallen to fads in the past long grew out of that to acknowledge that there isn't much new under the sun: most of the old cartridges do everything just as good as tomorrows plagiarism so there is no point in jumping on each new bandwagon as it goes by.
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I agree with what you say, but it still remains that the 6.5CM still offers the following very real and practical advantages over the 250 Savage.

firearms selection, ammo selection, loading kit selection and if you're a long range shooter, ballistics.
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You may like one over the other. We all have our favourites, but that does not negate those advantages. I don't even own a 6.5CM, preferring the 257Roberts instead for that class of rifle.
 
if his name is henry then buy a side gate lever while they are available. I have one its gorgeous. I own 4 henry's and I would not hesitate buying another the ones i have seem well made and how worked great. Being that may be for when he is older, then for now the CZ 527 in 7.62x39 in an awesome little rifle. I carry one every year and bought a second so i have both a scoped 2-7x and iron sight version. At about 6lbs loaded short and handy its a fantastic drive or long hike rifle as well as any size hunter....great for ladies and older children. As for size i am 5'10 with long arms and find the CZ compact but easy to use, i have also seen a 5'6ft 14 yr old take my rifle run about 60ft with it splash dive on their belly abd headshot a grouse with it, so they are rugged too ( i was the only one at camp with a loaded mag, tossed the rifle and mag at the kid cause he seemed excited to get a grouse....well hot damn was that a cool shot from about 50 yards with irons. We put the kid on the line rather than have him dogging for a few days after that lol.) Basically if your over 5'2-5'4 the CZ should be perfect. If your 6'5 or bigger then you may find it small.
 
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blasted_saber said:
How much of a difrerence is there between 250 Savage and 243 Win?
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243 has larger case capacity, being pretty much a necked down 308... while any bottleneck is overbore, 243 is very overbore. Whether this means much depends on how much you shoot it. With that you get more noise for little performance gain and with small shooters, neither of those are desirable: As little noise as possible with performance adequate for the job... no more no less. To the deer or target, the difference means nothing whether it's 243, 250, 6.5G, 6.5x55 or 50cal. But for this particular niche, the 250S has been available and ideal for the job for over 100 years... few people even notice their old black socks with new rainbow ones all over the shelves. In case anyone hasn't noticed, I loathe fashion and fads...have been this way since I was a kid and my kid mind sorted out that particular issue of folly in society. It's not a matter of disdain or infatuation with a particular caliber or cartridge... here's a comprehensive list, this is the most logical choice considering the criteria.
 
Lots of good information here but . . . when someone is buying a rifle for child, wife or girlfriend and then mentions what they have in mind . . . in reality they are buying for themselves.

It will be the son's gun when dad tires of it or the kid grows into it.

Why ask here with limited information? If you want a lever action for yourself go and buy it.

The moment anyone has to ask a question intent becomes suspect . . . IMHO!
 
guntech said:
I would suggest a bolt action in a light cartridge as a 243 Win or 260 Rem. That will reach out to any distance you will be shooting with a flat trajectory and light recoil. A low variable scope as a 2-7...
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My vote too, I’d set him up with a nice heirloom quality, though production, .243. It into the classic a Winchester / Browning 1885, contemporary a Winchester Model 70.
 
Im going to start my little fella out with 243 in weatherby ,or howa 1500 in a youth model.For now he can target practice with my s2
 
I started my son years ago with a winchester M70 Ranger Youth in 243...I still have it, my 2nd grandson who is now 5 will get it soon...:)
 
7-08 Rem and reload for it!
Both my kids had awesome success with a now discontinued NEF break action 7-08 shooting 130 gr Speer BT’s ahead of a Lighter load of 4064 or Varget.(2550 FPS)

Just make sure the rifle fits him!

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The daughter still runs a 7-08, a 700 Rem LH and 139’s doing around 2750 FPS.
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As people have mentioned about the gun being for me!!! it will not be that. I hunt with a Howa 1500 in 30-06 that was my dads and a pre 1960 Winchester model 94 30-30 that was my grandfathers. This would be his as an heirloom hunting rifle. I want a rifle for my son that in 40 years he will look at in camp and tell the story of how his dad bought it brand new for him when he began his hunt. I want a rifle with a wood stock and something that will last for years to come. I'm still a few years out on him needing this rifle. If he continues to grow the way he has been he will be about 6'+ tall.
 
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