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4. Convincing the anti gun folks at work ... chances are they are still anti gun, camo or no camo at the match.

The points you missed:

5. Why are full colour BDU pants allowed? How about military or SWAT style footgear? They are military/police gear as much as camo. And hunter camo has no military connotation whatsoever, so why should it be discouraged? I'll agree with you it seems silly to wear at an event, but some guys are silly.

6. If your concern with camo is 'bad public image' then there is a lot more clothing that needs restricting including team emblems, etc. See previous posts in this thread.
 
hey whats next "tactical" kneepads. As for dissallowing solid colour bdu pants? Lol.. that would pretty much ban most of the people shooting. Who cares if you wear blue pants with 10 pockets.
 
Gothmog said:
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4. Convincing the anti gun folks at work ... chances are they are still anti gun, camo or no camo at the match.

The points you missed:

5. Why are full colour BDU pants allowed? How about military or SWAT style footgear? They are military/police gear as much as camo. And hunter camo has no military connotation whatsoever, so why should it be discouraged? I'll agree with you it seems silly to wear at an event, but some guys are silly.


6. If your concern with camo is 'bad public image' then there is a lot more clothing that needs restricting including team emblems, etc. See previous posts in this thread.
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why is the sky blue, why is there a speed limit, why did Nasa send a monkey to do a man's job......why is I can't reply to some messages without being a sarcastic prick...:p
I agree on some points. On others I may disagree. What is important is that I am a sassy bastard, and I have a good sense of humour.:dancingbanana:
 
maurice said:
why is the sky blue, why is there a speed limit, why did Nasa send a monkey to do a man's job......why is I can't reply to some messages without being a sarcastic prick...:p
I agree on some points. On others I may disagree. What is important is that I am a sassy bastard, and I have a good sense of humour.:dancingbanana:
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Maurice, I make the point because its in the rules ... see 'similar types of military or police garments' which are 'discouraged'.

Remember 'respect for the rules'?
 
Goth...if you feel so stronlgy about the issue...make a request to your SC and cc the Regional Director to submit a request for a clarification of the rule.

...or just live with it
 
Gothmog said:
Maurice I don't think you addressed the main issues I had, but I'll give you credit for making an attempt.

1. Following the rules has nothing to do with agreeing that they are good rules. If I am not persuaded the rules are good, I may in time leave the sport or never take it up.

2. Why would someone wear camo at a match? Camo is so mainstream now, nearly everyone wears it. The real question might be "why not?". In any event I've never felt inclined to wear it at a club match, but I really don't see the harm in it.

3. The 'military training ground' argument. IPSC shouldn't be construed as military training except when it really is military training and then those guys can wear their stuff. Uh huh ... I think you place way too much emphasis on a totally unfounded idea here and you contradict yourself. No one will believe this is some kind of paramilitary training any more than people will think Judo makes you a Ninja.
More to follow ... gotta run.
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Oh really......... how about the Liberal party of Canada. Granted they are dumb, but they were in power and almost took away our ability to legally enjoy and continue in this sport, with out so much of a blink of an eye. They jump on the ability to create fear and use it to retain power. They had Canadians believing that all firearms were evil, and there was no legitimate (re: IPSC) use for handguns.

The whole reason for the rule concerning the clothing has to do with exactly that, so no one would confuse this sport with paramilitary training......I seem to recall reading that somewhere in a Jeff Cooper article someone correct me if I am wrong please, or confirm that I am correct.
 
Gothmog said:
Maurice, I make the point because its in the rules ... see 'similar types of military or police garments' which are 'discouraged'.

Remember 'respect for the rules'?
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But does it not also say that active LE members are encouraged to wear there gear?
 
Hey so does anybody give a #### if I wear Hawaiian tropic camo and come to a match looking like a pineapple? I suppose drinks served in gigantic watermelons after the match would be totally out?

I see the point on camo, I just wonder how relevant is it anymore now that camo has gone mainstream.
 
maurice said:
Oh really......... how about the Liberal party of Canada. Granted they are dumb, but they were in power and almost took away our ability to legally enjoy and continue in this sport, with out so much of a blink of an eye. They jump on the ability to create fear and use it to retain power. They had Canadians believing that all firearms were evil, and there was no legitimate (re: IPSC) use for handguns.

The whole reason for the rule concerning the clothing has to do with exactly that, so no one would confuse this sport with paramilitary training......I seem to recall reading that somewhere in a Jeff Cooper article someone correct me if I am wrong please, or confirm that I am correct.
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I have no idea why this rule is in place, but if that is the reason, it is a poor one.

There is no valid foundation for it (as it is based on opinion only), and regardless what the Liberals did or didn't do I cannot seriously believe it was because of the way some people dress. Let's be clear on this: the Liberals want our guns gone because they do not want us to have guns. Full stop.

How do you feel about rifle owners who suggest 'if it weren't for handguns, there wouldn't be a gun problem'? Its the same kind of reasoning.
 
maurice said:
But does it not also say that active LE members are encouraged to wear there gear?
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My point is that many competitors wear 'non camo' military and police gear and are overlooked. These things (camo and non camo) are now commonly available and do not resonate the same way with the public as they did years ago ... times have changed and so should we.
 
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Quigley said:
Goth...if you feel so stronlgy about the issue...make a request to your SC and cc the Regional Director to submit a request for a clarification of the rule.

...or just live with it
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Do you think that would really change anything?

I think the 'voting base' needs to be addressed first. Change is slow ...
 
Gothmog said:
Do you think that would really change anything?

I think the 'voting base' needs to be addressed first. Change is slow ...
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Now Goth...what king of trouble would we be in if we all felt like that :cool:

..and yes...I think we could get the rule clarified...what's in...and what's out
 
Gothmog said:
Do you think that would really change anything?

I think the 'voting base' needs to be addressed first. Change is slow ...
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Not a perfect system I would imagine, but as a wise old man told me;
"the system isn't perfect, but it is all we have for now!"

Go shoot, have fun.
Toodles!
 
Quigley said:
Now Goth...what king of trouble would we be in if we all felt like that :cool:

..and yes...I think we could get the rule clarified...what's in...and what's out
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Don't get me wrong ... I don't want to see BDU pants or miltary/SWAT footgear banned. I just think the fact that their use is allowed is evidence that these garments are viewed as mainstream and not necessarily as paramilitary gear per se. I will go one step further and suggest that camo is also relatively mainstream nowadays, especially at a shooting range.

As to my pessimism over getting things changed, let's just say that I'm no stranger to that world. I'm referring to dealing with members of established orders (not necessarily IPSC) over making changes.

Change is slow and requires patience and putting a foundation in place is fundamental.
 
I've said it once, maybe twice, education is what's important here. If someone is wearing a full camo outfit to a match and we are concerned about the image they are giving off, lets go talk to them, find out what's up. Introduce them to the reporters, get them talking to people. If it turns out they are the kind of person who is bad for the sport, well guess what, we'll have to suck it up, and maybe work with them.
But clothing really isn't the only issue I wanted to pull out of the article. It was the mentioning of the tats and bumper stickers too. I have to admit that the ideas put forth surrounding them really annyoed me, same as the camo clothing issue.
Gothmog- if you want to see the base membership attitude change in regards to these things, you should join IPSC and start working with people.
 
Slavex said:
Gothmog- if you want to see the base membership attitude change in regards to these things, you should join IPSC and start working with people.
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It's on my radar for a number of reasons. How involved I can actually get is debatable, beyond challenging certain beliefs on a public forum. I do have Tac Rifle to run, you know!:)
 
I can get us all a great deal on some nice bubblegum coloured spandex skin tight shootin' suits? Any takers?

One look at that and they would ban us for sure.
 
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