New IPSC rules interpretations: Fibreoptic OK on PD guns.

MrFritz said:
As someone who is in your "every other person" group, I find that comment offensive. I have made two mods to my production gun, grips and a factory short trigger, both of which are well within the rules. If you think that someone is cheating, then you owe it to yourself and every other competitor to give the supposed cheater a chance to explain themselves, and if they can't convince you that their mods are legit, report them to a Match Official.

Complaining about something and not being willing to do something about it isn't cool.
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I don't see how that my comment is offensive to you if you replaced parts on your pistol and stayed within the rules. I didnt notice anything different on your pistol when I have seen you shoot your sig anyway. All I can comment on is when I talked to several PD shooters who I compared pistols to is the amount of changes they told me they made. Not all of them were legit. Trigger jobs, non-oem parts I seen a lot of each.

I brought up a few things with a few ro's and they all either shruged their holders stating they dont know the rules or mentioned that they dont shoot PD take it up with someone else.

As a newcommer to the sport I want to keep my finger pointing a minimum anyway. You know how it is.

The Lethbridge match was months ago - I only responed to what Dragoon posted. Im not a member of the IPSC cops - people are going to cheat. I was told before I ever shot in IPSC by PSE on these boards...

"Its amazing to see what people will do to their integrity to get a 10 dollar trophy."

D_
 
I've seen a few mods on Production guns that weren't legal, and have always told the people involved to remove them before they shoot the next stage. The only one that has been allowed to slide, and I don't agree with it personally, is the nickeled Glock slide out here in BC. The shooter had it done when it was legal to do so, so I can understand him being upset about it not being legal now, but rules are rules unfortunately. Allowing him to keep using that gun in PD sets a precedent for others being allowed to have illegal mods.
 
Slavex said:
Allowing him to keep using that gun in PD sets a precedent for others being allowed to have illegal mods.
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Not necessarily. We're not talking about a guy who has changed internal parts to try and gain a competitive advantage or someone who can easily swap out a part that he's bought by mistake.

This poor guy bought a Glock with the idea of competing in Production division maybe 3 or 4 times a year, and then refinished his slide BEFORE the rules interpretations said "no". For him to switch back basically requires him to buy a new slide which would probably cost him as much as a new gun. He can't simply get the gun refinished, because nobody makes Glock's proprietary finish.

He made a request to the BoD for an exemption for his slide and was granted it. This exemption is legal only within BC for IPSC BC Qualifiers. Rather than tell the guy he needed to spend another whack of change to continue competing in Production division, they acted to accomodate him.

It's not as though he's tearing up the division either. I don't think he's ever won a trophy. He just wants to compete with his friends in the same division they are in.
 
I like'm stock... and I use a retention holster. Whether it is my Glock with a 5lb trigger or my XD40 with the 8lb trigger makes no difference to me, both are allowed in the division, both are dependable.

Next year I will use a Glock and XD40 in the Standard Division as well. Just don't get yourself corksrcrewed before the Nats guys... remember....this happens every year.
 
I shoot ok without a fibre optic front sight. I was so tempted to install it if it came in before the nationals:D
but.......common sense had some company *thanks guys!;)
 
hungrybeagle said:
Not necessarily. We're not talking about a guy who has changed internal parts to try and gain a competitive advantage or someone who can easily swap out a part that he's bought by mistake.

This poor guy bought a Glock with the idea of competing in Production division maybe 3 or 4 times a year, and then refinished his slide BEFORE the rules interpretations said "no". For him to switch back basically requires him to buy a new slide which would probably cost him as much as a new gun. He can't simply get the gun refinished, because nobody makes Glock's proprietary finish.

He made a request to the BoD for an exemption for his slide and was granted it. This exemption is legal only within BC for IPSC BC Qualifiers. Rather than tell the guy he needed to spend another whack of change to continue competing in Production division, they acted to accomodate him.

It's not as though he's tearing up the division either. I don't think he's ever won a trophy. He just wants to compete with his friends in the same division they are in.
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I know I know, which is why I haven't been a #### about it. I didn't realize he'd asked the BoD for an exemption though. But are exemptions really allowed? That's the point I am trying to make. I feel for the guy, I really do, but........
 
Slavex said:
I didn't realize he'd asked the BoD for an exemption though. But are exemptions really allowed? That's the point I am trying to make.
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hey, maybe I could have gotten an exemption to keep using my chromed cz-85combat... ;)
 
Mike

what you should have done is first go the person who taught you your Black Badge and ask them for their guidance on people cheating. what they should have done is pointed you to the Range Master or myself as the Section Coordinator. one of us would have dealt with the matter very quickly. While some modifications are hard to enforce (ie springs) some are quite easy to enforce, like trigger pull.
 
Gentlemen,

There is no exception for a Nickel plated glock in BC that I am aware of. If the competitor brings it to a match he will not allowed to compete in Production division.

DVC
 
DVC1911 said:
Gentlemen,

There is no exception for a Nickel plated glock in BC that I am aware of. If the competitor brings it to a match he will not allowed to compete in Production division.

DVC
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he's been to at least two matches I know of already.
 
yeah the rule on chrome finishes, plating ect is plain stupid. There is no possible way a competitor could by plating or painting his gun give him and advantage.

BTW...I am now confused. So fibre optic sights are now legal on all production guns? Or just hte ones like CZ where its a factory option? I mean some factories with custom shops with give you any parts you want..and it will be oem.
 
It appears that any "open sights" regardless of color or material or manufacture are permitted so long as the gun does not need to be modified in order to install them.
 
so basically if its any aftermarket sites that slide into the site grooves its ok for production?
 
USP said:
yeah the rule on chrome finishes, plating ect is plain stupid. There is no possible way a competitor could by plating or painting his gun give him and advantage.
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Really? What about anti-glare finish on the top of a slide?
 
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