New JAE-700 stock for Rem 700

Glock-a-maniac said:
Gunboy, lets say for arguement sake, the landed cost on that stock is $1150, obviously no one can sell them for $1000 so what would be a fair price to pay knowing what it cost to get it here? Let me just add that since none of these stocks have been produced yet, there is no way of knowing absolutely what they're going to retail for.
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They are being made right now in California, not EUROPE, CHINA, OR SOUTH AMERICA, in fact I am sure they did a few batch already, and the prices, if they are selling for $699 US dollar, there is no way in hell that the price of the stock will landed for $1150, I travel to California several time in some year, but at lease 1 per year, example HS PRECISION they are selling here for $960 the same model that it was on the HS PRECISION line of rifles that sold her in Edmonton for $3000 price tag, I had my Relative pick it up for $500 even, and how about the Mcmillan A2 stock and A5, $600 already painted and inlet for rem700 SA, now that how much it cost me, not dealer, they would get it for less, and Like I said the tax in California is over 8%, but our tax is only 5% at the moment, I already said that 1G is fair due the fax that retailer had to put there money down first to purchase stock from the US, and they should be able to make a few, but don't say that there are no mark up for it, I know that for every stock you guy sold nearly $1000 , the purchase price is around $5-600, and with the dollar now a day, there would be a larger margin, but don't say that there are small mark up, I am not a business man, but I know how you opperated, buy low and sell high, that how profit is being made, don't tell me about how is you passion and Making people happy, Money talk and bull#### walk, $699 is what you can buy from the manufacture, but dealer get a discount, there is a big profit in Import and Export in Any country.



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just curious......

So if you can buy the stock cheaper...go ahead....or the action... go ahead. do the paperwork involved...


I look at it this way, IF i was a gunsmith, small business type, and you skirted me and my 15% markup or whatever on everything....ANd then wanted all my care and attention into your one off project, #1 I'd tell you to pound sand cause chances are you wasted my time with discussing your whole project, and me getting u prices and specs etc. #2 IF and only IF i did you project, youd be so far down the back burner it wouldnt be funny.




Actually, I give up, this is like beating a dead horse. Some people want something for nothing, think somebodys time is worth nothing, and are always right..... I could be wrong but i highly doubt a 960 dollar HS precision in the US is 3000 bucks here....

MOST people who question the purchase for resale and profit idealism have never had a retail store, just go to work like the rest of us minions for a wage.....If they had there own business with there whole life tied up into it, I'm sure theyd be singing a DIFFERENT TUNE ----->How do they expect me to cover overhead and make any money???? People want everything for free...


Nuff said:slap:
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
Well here's something to think about for all of you that think retailers that are bringing stuff up from the states are making a killing; As far as doing paperwork to make stuff legal, that's just time spent and it's not something that's overcharged for. The exporter charges something like $50 or $100 for each stock that they drag up to the border so right off the bat, that's more then 10% of the cost of the stock. As an example, landed cost on the M14 stocks was $900. and they were sold for $1000. To have to place of minimum order of 10 stocks, personally I don't think shelling out that much money to sit on product however long we have to to make 10% is worth it really.
These Rem 700 stocks from JAE are probably going to have to sell for more because, like C4Pyro stated, they have the options that most people will want just like McMillans that take 5 and 6 months to be built.

Let me ask the question to whoever cares enough to answer back, if the landed cost of a product is shown to you, what percentage of markup is reasonable considering the amount of money and the minimum order needed to actually get any? I am interested in your feedback so lets here it.
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Don't know who you are talking to, but I find it hard to believe that it costs $50-100 per stock to import them. If you are using an import broker you will pay through the nose. If you fill out all of the paperwork yourself, and there really isn't that much of it, you will save alot of money. Either way, there is no way of getting around the CDN retail price when US retailers are so bent on offering exclusivity to Canadian dealers. If there are only two people selling them, the price doesn't need to be all that competitive.
 
CyberK said:
I can't see them costing $1000 here if they are only $600 in the US. I highly doubt it costs an extra $400 for shipping, duty and tax.
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Agreed. There is no duty levied on most items that cross the border that are made in the USA. The only tax that is charged is GST. Shipping and brokerage fees are about it.

FWIW, any company that is regularly importing goods from the US is literally throwing money out the window by paying brokers to do simple B3 permits. They're so simple, even a cave man can do it.
 
bradtothebone said:
So if you can buy the stock cheaper...go ahead....or the action... go ahead. do the paperwork involved...


I look at it this way, IF i was a gunsmith, small business type, and you skirted me and my 15% markup or whatever on everything....ANd then wanted all my care and attention into your one off project, #1 I'd tell you to pound sand cause chances are you wasted my time with discussing your whole project, and me getting u prices and specs etc. #2 IF and only IF i did you project, youd be so far down the back burner it wouldnt be funny.




Actually, I give up, this is like beating a dead horse. Some people want something for nothing, think somebodys time is worth nothing, and are always right..... I could be wrong but i highly doubt a 960 dollar HS precision in the US is 3000 bucks here....

MOST people who question the purchase for resale and profit idealism have never had a retail store, just go to work like the rest of us minions for a wage.....If they had there own business with there whole life tied up into it, I'm sure theyd be singing a DIFFERENT TUNE ----->How do they expect me to cover overhead and make any money???? People want everything for free...

Nuff said:slap:
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there are some mis Understading here, the $960 is the price of the stock sold here in Edmonton, which cost $500 US, and it the same stock system that are using on the $3000 rifles that hs Made, and dealer selling it here in Edmonton, any way I am not saying that dealer shouldn't be able to make money, but just don't say that the mark up are low.
and if people want stuff for free, they should go and get it them self, and see how much trouble and cost when the product show up at there door, change are they better off buying here to help out those dealer, because if we as a consumer don't help out our local dealer, then they may not be around any longer, the thing that are bothering me is that dealer made profit and they do advertise here on this forum, to do a bit of pay back and constributed to this forum, but some doesn't, and they cry about how there are no profits, there is no mark up, and I know there alot of people share my view, but afraid to say it to rock the boat...
 
CyberK said:
Don't know who you are talking to, but I find it hard to believe that it costs $50-100 per stock to import them. If you are using an import broker you will pay through the nose. If you fill out all of the paperwork yourself, and there really isn't that much of it, you will save alot of money. Either way, there is no way of getting around the CDN retail price when US retailers are so bent on offering exclusivity to Canadian dealers. If there are only two people selling them, the price doesn't need to be all that competitive.
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see this person actually using his noodle, the profit on every one of those stock is OVER $250 after tax, shipping &Duty...

http://www.hsprecision.com/pst25.htm

OKatoke, if you head got smaller, than it time to head into town and have a check, but don't jump on the band wagon!
 
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JEBUS I was quoting "Jamie's" comment about it being his site ... sheeesh! I want to see a pic of the JAE 700 stock for Remington? Sorry if I upset any fellow CGNer's ... ;)

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
 
That is one of the most awesome looking stocks that I have ever seen and if the price is right I will buy it and put it onto my Rem 700-P 223...

If the price is more than I can justify I will not be buying it...

I don't really see what all of the whining is about if you like it and can afford it buy it if you can't don't... :D
 
Glock,

Here's my answer but before you read it just remember I have nothing against retailers making money, most of the ones I know deserve a higher markup for the level of service and experience they provide there customers. Other so called wholesalers do not.

Two years ago I was buying many of my shooting related items locally for about the same price as I could get them shipped in from the States due to shipping and exchange rates. What I don't understand is, with the strength of our dollar, why are we still paying the same prices locally for many of those things. There has been plenty of time for even the smallest of retailers to clear out old higher cost stock on the more popular things but they have not adjusted the price to reflect what they are paying for new stock.

Now I'm not saying that retailers can't take advantage of the strong dollar. However, in my case at least, I would like to see my shooting costs drop a little as well. Unfortunately that means when time permits I tend to order my stuff out of the states now. For the time it takes me to make a few phone calls and search the web, I tend to save anywhere from 10% - 30% and in some cases over 40%.

For allot of people they don't care because they either don't have the time to do this or they buy (out of respect), from there local retailer/gun builder. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this but I on the other hand have lots of time (at work unfortunately) and have no respect for my gun builder.:evil:

I understand that the cost of retailing sporting goods in Canada is higher because most of the stuff is shipped hear, not made here. But 15% more than what I can bring it in for from a US retailer is too much for me. The 15% I saved on my last rifle build (around $3000) is enough to buy 750 rnds of reloads for it. That’s allot of shooting! Not to mention I'm saving 15% on the reloading components.

I guess what it comes down to is the convenience of buying locally costs more $, and the savings of ordering costs more time. To each his own.

Anyone that wants my list of retailers PM me. Many are well know, some are also Canadian aswell, but you might just find something that you use or need for cheaper, and that is every consumer’s right.

Dave


Yes I’m cheap, but the cheaper I am, the more I can shoot. More shooting = better shot! I hope;) Thats all I care about.
 
at the moment our dollar is very strong, and it will get better, but I don't see the price drops even a abit , and all you heard is Oh, the price gone up, price of reminton gone up, price of bullet gone up, oh yet also price of powder gone up, and where did you heard this, from the mouth of retailer, you as a consumer should do you own research to find out what the best or who is best to buy from, don't just follow the band wagon and jump on it, use the NET... talk to people, you buddy, people at the range, that what research is all about, but don't rely on just one source.

Yes I’m cheap, but the cheaper I am, the more I can shoot. More shooting = better shot! I hope Thats all I care
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Dave man, you not cheap, your head just got bigger and you are using it, not like the other guy that got his head shrink, in this case get it check out!
 
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GunBoy said:
at the moment our dollar is very strong, and it will get better, but I don't see the price drops even a abit , and all you heard is Oh, the price gone up, price of reminton gone up, price of bullet gone up, oh yet also price of powder gone up, and where did you heard this, from the mouth of retailer, you as a consumer should do you own research to find out what the best or who is best to buy from, don't just follow the band wagon and jump on it, use the NET...
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I agree,

This is not meant as a shot to anyone on a "band wagon" but I think it comes down to experience.

What I see is people who do not have experience tend to listen to what the retailer tells them to buy and inevitably it is something they are selling so the guy buys it from them at whatever the cost.

People with experience know what they want, so they look around and find it at the right price. It's just too bad that place is more often than not, somewhere other than in Canada.

The best thing a consumer can do is get there experience/knowledge from someone other than a retailer. Unfortunately finding someone to share there knowledge freely is very hard to find.

For those of you who don't know already, we have a few of those people right here. One guy that comes to mind is Jerry (mysticplayer). I do not know Jerry personally but here is a guy that has nothing to gain for himself and I assure you from my own experience his knowledge is GOLD!!! I have yet to see a retailer step up and offer that level of sharing on this form, although most do answer questions promptly.

One gun builder that does come to mind is Kirby Allen (fiftydriver) on that other form. He offers his knowledge to everyone and it may be slanted a little at times but then again you don't have to buy anything from him to get it. The more people you talk to and get info from the better. If you’re only listening to one guy and he is a retailer the advice might be sound, but not necessarily complete.

Dave
 
it actually bonded to the surface of the stock, and give it a nice finish, meaning doesn't require addition pain to it, yet you right...

Gb
 
ok misunderstannding with stock

I am not in anyway backing the GOUGING that some people are doing these days, and dont get me wrong, more power to ya for finding stuff cheaper and ordering it yourself, but I, myself am ok with the 15-20% markup from landed cost. And yes maybe a person can order say an A5 for a less cash, but i prefer to look at the BIG picture, the service that comes, the time spent researching/finding out about my wierd requests..... When I order/purchase stuff that 15% profit IN MY EYES and with CERTAIN DEALERS comes back to me ten fold in experience and service.


Its you money, do what/how you want with it. When I need a favour/an item/ a service in a pinch, maybe i will get that extra mile. where you get the extra inch....

AS for the dollar going up etc, I CAN tell you in my moms for instance, when fuel went up, and prices went up in the states, dont fergit, labour is now expensive, real estate etc.... So she had a nominal increase in prices, but it failed to follow the TOTAL amount of increases in business costs she faced, now people are phoning her with the same old, the dollars high, how come how come, and she kept her prices the same even tho, to compensate for when the profit margin was lower, and now shes on an even keel with where the prices are supposed to be...

Just another point of view......In a market that has close to nothing to do with this stuff.....
 
I believe it us that fueling and give dealer reason to Gouging price, even you could buy stock and get them to shipped up here, and still save, you might not save as much as the dealer, but to there buying power and dealer status, but you still save a bundles, I brought an AI from down south for $999 it the version with folding stock, here selling for over $1300, the shipping cost and tax and duty cost me less than $100, and I am buying 1 items, not just emagine if you are buying more, I really hope that people should open up there eye and taking a look, and decide, after all, we are working for our money, it doesn't come by cheap, a penny save is a penny earn, and there is nothing wrong with that, that not being cheap, just smart!
 
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AS for the dollar going up etc, I CAN tell you in my moms for instance, when fuel went up, and prices went up in the states, dont fergit, labour is now expensive, real estate etc.... So she had a nominal increase in prices, but it failed to follow the TOTAL amount of increases in business costs she faced, now people are phoning her with the same old, the dollars high, how come how come, and she kept her prices the same even tho, to compensate for when the profit margin was lower, and now shes on an even keel with where the prices are supposed to be...
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I will agree with you, in Alberta at least, that may be partly the reason we have not see prices that compare to an ordered item. Trying to find good people right now is a #####.

I commend you for the support you give your gunsmith. My only complaint is what about those of us who are not looking for even an extra inch never mind the extra mile. We know what we want and that is all.

Sooner or later you may no longer need advise or help because maybe you already have the knowledge and experience you need. But when you go to buy more ammo for example, how do you feel about paying those higher prices knowing that you could do more shooting if you bought somewhere else.

I guess what I'm saying is I wish we could have at least one wholesaler here in Canada that sells stuff for a fair price compared to what it can be bought for in the states. They would not need to be gun experts, or experienced in hunting and shooting. Just keep items in stock and sell them at fair prices so we can at least keep some money inside Canada and not have to deal with stupid export laws.

Peter at Hirsch is an excellent example of this. His prices are bang on with anything I can get from the states. When I call Peter and order brass or bullets, I don't ask what he thinks of my choice. I don't get any BS, he just ships them out and I pay him because I know It's a fair price.



Dave
 
Otokiak said:
HOLY ... somebody's head got BIG ... :rolleyes:

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

p.s. are there any PICS of this stock ... :confused:

JEBUS I was quoting "Jamie's" comment about it being his site ... sheeesh! I want to see a pic of the JAE 700 stock for Remington? Sorry if I upset any fellow CGNer's ... ;)
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never said my site....this is my forum...the PR forum that you are posting in....lol

Big head no not really my ears are just small:D.....but I must ask do you like to be stolen from??Ask Ian Roberston,Ed Begg,and all our other dealers how they like to see a site they pay for so you can type here geive there money to a dealer that was banned for not following the rules.....

Jamie
 
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