New lightweight mountain rifle, with a heavy side of Grizz. Debate starter.

Angus, I get exactly what you are looking for, and after several interactions with grizzlies, while NOT hunting them, I grasp the need to have enough cartridge/bullet dia/bullet weight to be a significant deterrent to one intent on occupying the same molecular space as I. I do not fear grizzlies at all as has been suggested by others on this thread, but by the same token I never venture into grizzly country without enough firearm to adequately deter one if necessary. Being caliber/cartridge prepared to meet an aggressive bear doesn't indicate fear it indicates experience and wisdom..........which it seems some here lack.
Last summer (maybe the one before) I lent Boomer my Mod 7 KS 350 as he and his partner were going to be doing some hiking around the territory, and most assuredly in grizzly country. I think he felt quite secure with the 350 and 225 ABs and not continuously over weight or overly cumbersome. This is exactly the need you have, as I understand it, not to hunt necessarily but possibly to assist in the finishing of an animal even out to a couple three hundred mtrs, and possibly to deter a stumbled upon bear. Completely different set of parameters than the "best overall hunting rig" for northern BC.
 
Boomer said:
Being a bear enthusiast I can't agree. If you're hunting or hiking in the mountains, its the terrain and altitude that dictate the size and weight of rifle you can conveniently carry. A 10 pound Brno 602 might not be the best choice as you struggle though dense willows on a 60 degree slope at 4000' despite its cartridge's capacity for killing the largest game on earth. A medium bore, medium capacity cartridge chambered in a short, light, handy, rifle might not shoot as flat as a small bore, but it shoots flat enough, and that's the key. Various 9.3 and .375 cartridges have been considered suitable for all types of African game from Duiker to the Big 5, so there's little reason these cartridges shouldn't be equally suitable for a combination bear/caribou/sheep hunt, for bear protection while hunting other game, or even while hiking off season, if a person is so inclined. The key then is to choose a rifle that's not only chambered for a capable cartridge, but more importantly, to choose one that's suitable for packing up those tough mountain trails.
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I'm well aware of what it's like to pack a rifle in the mountains in bear country. It's the build a rifle around pretend that I find funny. It's popular here I know, but I still find it pretty funny.
 
The 9.5x57 would make a great mountain/light weight rifle, iv often thought about the same thing. I have one in a MS, although I haven't taken an animal with it yet, my passed grandfather had taken many, mostly moose. It was a very effective cartridge inside of a couple hundred yards as it only has iron sights. But the stalk is 99% the fun right? As for bear defence, sure the magnums are better, but when trying to keep the rifle in a small package that still packs punch, and have something that is unuiqe that would make for a good conversation piece, especially with foreign hunters well guiding, the 9.5x57 is a pretty cool cartridge.

I try every season to take a moose with mine, but weather plays a huge factor on if it comes off the shelf, hopfully this year.



9.5x57 - 9.3x62 - 375h&h


If I was you, I'd just do it!
 
chuck nelson said:
I'm well aware of what it's like to pack a rifle in the mountains in bear country. It's the build a rifle around pretend that I find funny. It's popular here I know, but I still find it pretty funny.
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Except you have applied "assumption" to this particular thread... and you know what they say about one who "assumes..."
 
chuck nelson said:
I'm well aware of what it's like to pack a rifle in the mountains in bear country. It's the build a rifle around pretend that I find funny. It's popular here I know, but I still find it pretty funny.
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Of course if an individual never gets off the sidewalk its pretend, but for the rest of us . . . If you've never experienced a dangerous bear encounter you don't have a point of reference, but that seems little reason to mock those who have.
 
thepitchedlink said:
I can't help but think if Ruger would just offer that sweet little RSI, with a nice piece of walnut, in 350 RM.....we'd have it. I'd buy one that's for sure
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The RSI's are very compact and wieldy... but not particularly light and may not remain faithful to Ardent's vision. They are perfect for most of my applications... and in comparison to my body weight might be considered a toothpick...
 
Ardent said:
I need a work tool in essence, not a hunting rifle, and in this category the 9.5x57 / .350RM etc class is intriguing.

Been waiting for it for four years and damn well going to enjoy it, and the 9.5x57 class seems the best way to do so. I'm not after the ultimate in this case is the gist, I'm after a slick tool that fits the parameters mentioned.
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Angus... you seem to be inspired by the concept of the 9.5X57... and not finding a good reason to move away from it... all that is left is the "doing of it." Functional and with much "cool factor." I would be comfortable with you over my right shoulder when at full draw...
 
c-fbmi said:
. . . I lent Boomer my Mod 7 KS 350 as he and his partner were going to be doing some hiking around the territory, and most assuredly in grizzly country. I think he felt quite secure with the 350 and 225 ABs and not continuously over weight or overly cumbersome.
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The Remington M-7 KS in .350 magnum is justly popularity in the Yukon . . .
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hoytcanon said:
Angus... you seem to be inspired by the concept of the 9.5X57... and not finding a good reason to move away from it... all that is left is the "doing of it." Functional and with much "cool factor." I would be comfortable with you over my right shoulder when at full draw...
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;) Sounding good to me too, but it still may well be the Merkel at that time if we're able to wrangle all the appropriate cats fast enough. The Royal would have to be nearby for playing some evenings. Down low on the coast where the big "Browns" are one of the .375 H&Hs will be nice, mostly boat and stalk. This will be very much the "going walking" gun, whether that's up the Kitlope River, along the shore, or to the goats. But I love a light load and weatherproof, so it'll be so if it's ready in time.

And rightly so Boomer! You know if I regret one thing in life it's giving the Rem 700 such a hard time. Guess that's a good thing. ;)
 
Boomer said:
Of course if an individual never gets off the sidewalk its pretend, but for the rest of us . . . If you've never experienced a dangerous bear encounter you don't have a point of reference, but that seems little reason to mock those who have.
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You are making some pretty big assumptions.
 
c-fbmi said:
Angus, I get exactly what you are looking for, and after several interactions with grizzlies, while NOT hunting them, I grasp the need to have enough cartridge/bullet dia/bullet weight to be a significant deterrent to one intent on occupying the same molecular space as I. I do not fear grizzlies at all as has been suggested by others on this thread, but by the same token I never venture into grizzly country without enough firearm to adequately deter one if necessary. Being caliber/cartridge prepared to meet an aggressive bear doesn't indicate fear it indicates experience and wisdom..........which it seems some here lack.
Last summer (maybe the one before) I lent Boomer my Mod 7 KS 350 as he and his partner were going to be doing some hiking around the territory, and most assuredly in grizzly country. I think he felt quite secure with the 350 and 225 ABs and not continuously over weight or overly cumbersome. This is exactly the need you have, as I understand it, not to hunt necessarily but possibly to assist in the finishing of an animal even out to a couple three hundred mtrs, and possibly to deter a stumbled upon bear. Completely different set of parameters than the "best overall hunting rig" for northern BC.
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You've nailed it right there, with better words. Not after the ultimate anything, after a very good compromise for a work tool with class.

chuck nelson said:
You are making some pretty big assumptions.
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I think the point was merely he was doing the same to you, and it can just as wildly off base.
 
Bc trapper said:
I try every season to take a moose with mine, but weather plays a huge factor on if it comes off the shelf, hopfully this year.


9.5x57 - 9.3x62 - 375h&h


If I was you, I'd just do it!
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Thanks for the wonderful visual, I've got almost everything here to roll in my hand, but no 9.5x57. Appreciate that pic, think I'm going to give it a go just talking to Mr Satterlee right now, he's pretty intrigued to try one sounds like.
 
"But a 7x57 with good bullets will kill just as quickly as a medium bore in any but the most extreme and unusual situation. So to sum it all up, I'd likely pick the 7x57 and enjoy the flatter trajectory and lighter recoil in the mountains while hunting sheep or goats, and not feel under armed if I wanted or needed to shoot a bear. "

This sums it up nicely. I'm not about cute, pretend, romance or any other such nonsense. In my opinion the 9.5x57 is exactly that. What a silly compromise. In fact read what you wrote.

"I am admittedly completely unversed in the subject of mild, medium bore cartridge effectiveness, as my medium bore loads have always been magnum. I did load a schwak of light loaded .375 H&H rounds for culling in Zim and performance honestly wasn't great. They worked swell but effectiveness was odds on identical to 7x57 and .30-06, and inferior to .300 mag class as witnessed over the course of much shooting"
 
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chuck nelson said:
"But a 7x57 with good bullets will kill just as quickly as a medium bore in any but the most extreme and unusual situation. So to sum it all up, I'd likely pick the 7x57 and enjoy the flatter trajectory and lighter recoil in the mountains while hunting sheep or goats, and not feel under armed if I wanted or needed to shoot a bear. "

This sums it up nicely. I'm not about cute, pretend, romance or any other such nonsense. In my opinion the 9.5x57 is exactly that. What a silly compromise.
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That's a viable point of view, though not one I share; but then its the differences between us rather than our similarities that makes the world an interesting place.
 
Any thoughts on an improved 35 wheels or similar. Velocities should be good with 250g and still shoot flat enough.
With standard action the build could be light
 
chuck nelson said:
"But a 7x57 with good bullets will kill just as quickly as a medium bore in any but the most extreme and unusual situation. So to sum it all up, I'd likely pick the 7x57 and enjoy the flatter trajectory and lighter recoil in the mountains while hunting sheep or goats, and not feel under armed if I wanted or needed to shoot a bear. "

This sums it up nicely. I'm not about cute, pretend, romance or any other such nonsense. In my opinion the 9.5x57 is exactly that. What a silly compromise. In fact read what you wrote.

"I am admittedly completely unversed in the subject of mild, medium bore cartridge effectiveness, as my medium bore loads have always been magnum. I did load a schwak of light loaded .375 H&H rounds for culling in Zim and performance honestly wasn't great. They worked swell but effectiveness was odds on identical to 7x57 and .30-06, and inferior to .300 mag class as witnessed over the course of much shooting"
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Admittedly I was expecting more discussion, not forensic analysis of the basis of my opinions, but since we're going there,

-The .375 H&H culling rounds I loaded were heavy TSXs over SR4759, for 1,900ish FPS. Not by any means the ideal of anything. They work like a .30-06, with a poor trajectory.

-A 235 or 250gr in the 2400 range is a different ballgame of performance.

-I'm looking for those with experience on such recipes, you seem to have avoided them- fair enough but you can't add much.

-I don't doubt your experience, and I don't doubt others in this thread and several at that have more.

-I'd really prefer to talk the rifle concept, your opinion is noted, and I'd rather not measure dicks though we could have fun doing that.

-I hope you have a nice day and that the grizzly unt returns to Alberta one day.
 
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