New Lipsey’s Ruger M77 Alaskan in 9.3x62 and 35 Whelen

Are we calling the Whelen and 9.3X62 "stopping" rifles now?
Why cares? The context was the video I was referencing. Wasn’t that the romance of this rifle? Let’s face it. 99% of these rifles will likely never kill anything with those irons. But they look the part.

If I was going to use the irons on that rifle I’d buy a partridge front insert and file it in with the load I wanted to use.
 
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He shot thousands of Buff and Elephants. He brained the animal in that photo, he just waited too long and a dead elephant fell on him. There is a good video where he describes the pressure on PHs to wait until animals are around 5 yards away, though the law specified 10 yards, particularly when guiding photo groups.

His conclusion on stopping rifles was that you needed a double in the 500 Jeffrey class to achieve things the 9.3s and .375s could not. He did not think the 400s, 416s, or 458s were enough. His take is pretty nuanced, so he seems to contradict himself at times as he was around long enough to see poor ammo, and lots of different shooting in the mix.

He had fought in a ton of different Rhodesian wars, and also encountered poachers. One thing he struggled with was that he said you should have a rifle with 30 rounds should you have to engage criminals or terrorists. So as much fun as it is to shoot the heavies they don't do you much good if you happen on outlaws. Nor do most people, particularly in Africa, have the money to shoot them enough to keep proficient. So his 9.3 on a Demoulin action had a box magazine and an Aimpoint.
 
when American companies put express sights on a rifle they mostly seem to incline them towards the shooter, while the classical posting was leaning towards the target. Never really understood that.
 
I don't know if they have done anything with these stocks, but the scout and the No 1, both have unsealed wood. If you are seriously after an Alaska rifle I would epoxy the barrel channel etc... if it is exposed. I have lots of boat epoxy that will soak in and not change the relief in the channel.

Here is Taj Shoemaker's gun built on a Guide Gun, and with a plastic stock:

https://www.americanhunter.org/content/how-to-build-the-ultimate-brown-bear-rifle/
 
There is a difference between a "hunting" rifle and a "stopping" rifle. The .35 Whelen and 9.3X62 are great hunting cartridges, but not many PH's, that actually use stopping rifles, would consider these cartridges for the task. I am sure there are varying opinions and nuance involved, but most consider the .458 class of cartridges to be the minimum for actually "stopping" a dangerous game animal. There are also different degrees of danger with game, and dangerous game with entirely different mass to be dealt with. Leopard vs elephant kind of thing.

At any rate, Ruger got the configuration of these rifles correct, but it seems that they may require some refinement.
 
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Lots of Elephants were killed with 6.5 x55 and 7 x57 s with FMJ bullets too ! Proves a Well Placed Brain 🧠 shot will Kill them like any other animal . .
But None of those are “ STOPPER “ cartridges on a Wounded Enraged Elephant- Buffalo- Lion - Brown Bear. etc etc . if you’re NOT getting them into a Vital spot ! 416 plus 400 grers and bigger are stopper cartridges. JMO
 
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There is a difference between a "hunting" rifle and a "stopping" rifle. The .35 Whelen and 9.3X62 are great hunting cartridges, but not many PH's, that actually use stopping rifles, would consider these cartridges for the task. I am sure there are varying opinions and nuance involved, but most consider the .458 class of cartridges to be the minimum for actually "stopping" a dangerous game animal. There are also different degrees of danger with game, and dangerous game with entirely different mass to be dealt with. Leopard vs elephant kind of thing.

At any rate, Ruger got the configuration of these rifles correct, but it seems that they may require some refinement.
Oh I get what you are saying. Of course all things being equal the bigger stuff is better. My comments are tongue in cheek - partly. Because the thing that is usual not equal is the person behind the trigger. But you know that!
 
Inuits never carries much more than a 308, but most of the time 222, 22-250 etc and they have the only real predatory bears in North America. So again 223 for everything is the way to go😜! With open sights zeroed at 25 or should I say 5” low at 50 that way you know you are good to go !!
 
He shot thousands of Buff and Elephants. He brained the animal in that photo, he just waited too long and a dead elephant fell on him. There is a good video where he describes the pressure on PHs to wait until animals are around 5 yards away, though the law specified 10 yards, particularly when guiding photo groups.

His conclusion on stopping rifles was that you needed a double in the 500 Jeffrey class to achieve things the 9.3s and .375s could not. He did not think the 400s, 416s, or 458s were enough. His take is pretty nuanced, so he seems to contradict himself at times as he was around long enough to see poor ammo, and lots of different shooting in the mix.

He had fought in a ton of different Rhodesian wars, and also encountered poachers. One thing he struggled with was that he said you should have a rifle with 30 rounds should you have to engage criminals or terrorists. So as much fun as it is to shoot the heavies they don't do you much good if you happen on outlaws. Nor do most people, particularly in Africa, have the money to shoot them enough to keep proficient. So his 9.3 on a Demoulin action had a box magazine and an Aimpoint.
I really enjoyed reading his stuff in African Hunter Magazine. His nom du plume was Ganyana and he had a PhD in biology.

I didn’t know he fought in the Rhodesian war. If you are interested in that part of African history then, and sorry for the hijack, check out- The SAS in Rhodesia: We Dared to Win, by Hannes Wessels and Andre Scheepers. It gives the perspective of those fighting to maintain the status quo in Rhodesia.
 
There is a difference between a "hunting" rifle and a "stopping" rifle. The .35 Whelen and 9.3X62 are great hunting cartridges, but not many PH's, that actually use stopping rifles, would consider these cartridges for the task. I am sure there are varying opinions and nuance involved, but most consider the .458 class of cartridges to be the minimum for actually "stopping" a dangerous game animal. There are also different degrees of danger with game, and dangerous game with entirely different mass to be dealt with. Leopard vs elephant kind of thing.

At any rate, Ruger got the configuration of these rifles correct, but it seems that they may require some refinement.
I guess it all depends on whether one is considering it an “African” stopping rifle or a North American one. Certainly enough for anything in North America.
 
I really enjoyed reading his stuff in African Hunter Magazine. His nom du plume was Ganyana and he had a PhD in biology.

I didn’t know he fought in the Rhodesian war. If you are interested in that part of African history then, and sorry for the hijack, check out- The SAS in Rhodesia: We Dared to Win, by Hannes Wessels and Andre Scheepers. It gives the perspective of those fighting to maintain the status quo in Rhodesia.
One of the reasons (possibly the major reason?) he preferred a “light” stopping rifle is that he received a bullet in his shooting shoulder from a terrorist during one of those punch-ups in Rhodesia, and really heavy recoiling rifles played hell on that injury.
 
Inuits never carries much more than a 308, but most of the time 222, 22-250 etc and they have the only real predatory bears in North America. So again 223 for everything is the way to go😜! With open sights zeroed at 25 or should I say 5” low at 50 that way you know you are good to go !!
Of course, none of them make the news when they are mauled either...
 
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