New load for my .300win mag. STIFF RECOIL,NEED LEAD SLED HELP!!!

Nah, unfortunately its the bottom release clip release. Its the newer style. Believe me, there are no aftermarket stocks available. I have looked and asked every manufacturer, and they all said Nope on a stock.
Can anyone please explain how so many "manly men" ended up on the nutz site?? If anyone actually pulled the trigger on my gun and felt the recoil I got, you wouldn't be claiming that I must be a sissy. Boy, you guys must shoot .577 T-Rex rifles with one hand.
Thanks for the one good suggestion about adding weight to the butt stock, and changing recoil pads. I haven't had much luck here getting a recoil pad to fit. No one locally has anything for sale that would fit.
Also , thanks for suggesting Elwood. I will have to wait until monday to get some quotes.
Anyone else here of human size that has a source for rifle rests here in Canada? The hulks on this forum need not reply,as you guys obviously dont feel recoil. Good for you.
The .30-06 is a great round and is capable of much more than we see from the factory. I loaded the bullets on the low end of the power scale as I just want a hunting load, not a 1000 Yard barnburner. My next rifle will be .30-06. I should have never gotten rid of mine.
 
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Its a wonder that after 50 rounds you don't have a headache from the concussion or whiplash. I like to take a 22 or semi auto 308 with me to the range and spread out the shots with the 300wm. Too much heat on the barrel and just too much to sit down and shoot so many shots in a row.

There's lead sled and I think there is another one from Cabellas that is similar. It it makes it more comfortable, why not order one?
 
The Tikka SS .300wm I had only weighed 6.5 lbs and I didn't find it that bad. However, after putting a Limbsaver on, it turned to a .308.:)

Maybe try a reduced load, or a lighter bullet.
 
sgt.rock, I knew you're loads were on the low end of the scale and my 30-06 are considerable higher than most people load the good old 30-06.
Also, I am not one who would be critical of anyone complaining about recoil. Felt recoil depends on many things, and the shape of the rifle stock, and how it fits you, is high on the list. As an example, The Schultz and Larson rifles being discussed on another thread, are a perfect example of a beautiful shaped stock. I mentioned that I used to shoot a 308 Norma Magnum in one. I found it pleasant to shoot, and even took the Schultz and Larson to a turkey shoot, because of its superb accuracy, when I had a choice of rifles to take. I was using Norma 180 grain factory ammo, which Eagleye has told us chronographed at about 3140! (That figure is from 100 to over 200 feet per second faster than the maximum load speeds "claimed" shown on the Hodgdon sight.)
On the other hand, I find a Model 88 Winchester in 308, very miserable for me to shoot and I would never own one for that reason. The stock is shaped that no matter what I do it hits me in the cheek and I end up with a sore cheek.
And if anyone wants to call me a sissy for finding a 308 that hurts me, fly at it.
There are lots of excellent shooters on these threads and a great many of them are very good with heavy magnums. But not all shooters of heavy magnums fit that description! And the ones that call others sissies are likely in this latter group.
 
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sgt. rock: There may not be a drop in stock available for your clip model but one of the joys of fiber glass stocks is that it is possible to adapt them quite extensively with use of simple tools and some body filler , glass bedding kits and paint. If that isn't your bag then a better recoil pad and possibly a "Past Magnum" shoulder pad is in your future. I've used the latter for years with heavy kickers and it helps a lot.
 
well I handload for my 300wm, im getting 3100fps from 178gr amax, so its a toasty load but nothing crazy. Ive never shot factory rounds through it, maybe they are timid I dont know. but a rem700 with 28" barrel, laminated thumbhole stock, limbsaver, bipod, and falcon menace ontop is far from a light rig, its bloody heavy, and anyone that sais it shoots like a 308, hasnt shot a 308 or is shooting very mild loads.

I can shoot a 308 free recoil no problem from a bipod, no way with my 300wm, too much muzzle flip and damn near get bit with the scope.
 
Thanks all for the replies. I didn't mean to come across like an a$$ a little while ago. I was just looking for some help and I started to feel like my manhood was in question with the quips on going smaller. I agree that the stock on the Savage is most likely great for the .308 win and smaller, but it just royally sucks for high powered calibers. I have shot plenty of .300's over the years, and none made me hate pulling the trigger like this one. The stock feels like it is driving into my face on each and every shot. And the scope does come back perilously close to the eyebrow on recoil. AND because of the super long distance the scope mounts are placed apart, there is very little play in scope mounting. (I am using scope extension rings to boot, and the rings JUST BARELY clear the bell housing on a bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40)
Anyhow, this is a comment to you H4831, I can always count on a classy response from you. Thanks for the help.Same from the others who offered constructive ideas. I wish this forum had more guys like you all, and less of the "get a laugh at others expense, just to look cool" type of guys.
I've given up on the trying to be manly and suck it up type of mentality. If it just sucks to shoot the gun, I want to remedy it if possible, before I give up and sell the thing.
I also wish I could lie and say I had enough skills to get a stock and do what was needed to adapt my action to it, but I am sorely lacking in any real "gunsmith" skills, including bedding and the like. I will definately be getting rid of the "hockey puck" recoil pad, and likely sell the gun, if I can't make it more pleasurable to shoot.
 
Is there not a limbsaver that will fit? I'd like to think I'm really manly, but the bruise my Stevens 200 in 300WM gave me would tell other stories (I'm still manly, I kept shooting ;) ). But once I got the limbsaver it's fine to shoot. If you had been complaining about kicks in the face hurting, there'd be guys saying to cowboy up, they get kicked in the face twice a day and look forward to it as the highlight of their day. No matter what you do, if you're having a problem, guys are gonna make fun, we're guys.
Put some weight in the stock, get a limbsaver, then see if you still want a lead sled, if you do, then buy one. Who cares what anyone thinks, if the gun is still uncomfortable, it's possible it just doesn't fit right, sell it and buy another one, knowing that you tried everything you could to make that one work, but it just wasn't to be.

PS, I have less gunsmith skills that your average dog, the limbsaver is pretty easy to install :)
 
Reducing recoil while developing loads

Sgt. Rock has a point when he says putting 50 rounds through a light stocked rifle while developing loads can be wearisome. I have always thought a Lead Sled would be nice for this situation as I also have a big gun with a tupperware stock.


I haven't tried this but has anyone tried filling the hollow stock with sand to in order to decrease the felt recoil? It could be a cheap temporary solution. If the sand is dry and the stock is not stuffed to capacity it may act in a similar fashion as inserts containing Mercury. You would still need to fine tune your scope for hunting after the sand is removed.
 
I shoot heavy 200gr loads in my 300wm, it has the ramline paddle on it and was a bear to shoot on a bench, had it magnaported and used the PAST pad and filled my rear bag with lead shot and jam the heel of the stock down into the bag, no more recoil issues. Stock design has a huge effect on felt recoil.

Try the sand in the buttstock idea, or better yet fill it half full with lead shot.
 
Stock shape IS a great factor along with every individual's own physical attributes: arm length, shoulder width, neck length, (nose...?!??).
One of my friends has a dislike for any Remington 700 because he gets kicked in the face regularly with them. He got a Voere 300 Win Mag and loads it to very high velocities with bullets in the 180 gr. range and hasnt complained ever since.
Funny, I'm pretty sure that that Voere's stock has more drop at the comb than any Remmy, go figure...
PP.
 
Well I just borrowed my friends Winchester model 70 and went to the range. It is definately the gun that is the problem, As I felt little recoil with the winny. (or at least normal amounts comparable to the factory stuff I had been using prior to reloading.... I full length re-sized so I didn't worry about using the ammo in another rifle, and the OAL chambered easily in the Winchester)
I just disassembled about 60 shotgun shells and took the lead shot out of them (no stores up here have lead shot for sale - its just too small a market)
and stuffed a bunch into the stock. Then I added a "grind to fit" recoil pad to the stock. I can't believe what a difference it is making on the savage.
(plus I used a lifejacket for the first few shots just to see how little recoil I could percieve..... but didn't need it)
I am going to grande prairie in august so I will pick up a rifle rest/lead sled of some type while down there. Thanks for all the advice.
Now I just have to remember to remove the shot out of the buttstock before I go hunting in the fall. (or at least before I bag a bruin in august)
The rifle seems like it weighs about 14 pounds now!!!!!!!!!!!
 
One comment on your scope choice; I have and like my Bushnell 3200, but it doesn't offer much eye relief compared to some other scopes on the market (Leupold). It may not be the best choice for firing a stout load in a light rifle.

Firing 50 rounds for absolute accuracy to shoot buffalo seems pretty excessive. They used to shoot hills full of them with smokepoles, or just drive them off a cliff. They can't be that hard or elusive to hunt.
 
I was on a hunt last year with my partner who held the tag. It was freezing cold, the snow was deep, and his shot was 270 yards (laser). But the real reason I am "accuracy testing" is that I am new to reloading, and I want to get as good as I can at it. Experimenting with seating depths, powder charges, etc is all part of the process as I see it. Also, I am one of those OCD guys, and if I can make it better than OK, I usually try to.
My skills at shooting aren't the greatest, so I wan't to take subpar ammo out of the equation.
 
as for seating depths I have a Savage 111 in 300WM and it has a long throat, I'm seating at 3.500" and could go a bit longer with the accubonds but then the rounds won't fit in the mag or feed well.

the Savage is fairly stout when it comes to recoil, but nowhere near shooting a Nagant with heavy ball ammo.
 
I have a Mauser 96 straight slide in .300WM. It weighs 6.25lbs w/o scope. I use 220gr Partitions launched at 285X fps and the rifles used to be quite uncomfortable to shoot. I shot it side by side with a Ruger No.1 in .375 H&H and a Remington 700 in the same, and the >375's were more pleasant! The rifle had a very thin hard puck for a recoil pad. I added a 1" decelerator and it made a huge difference.

H4831 is right though. That is very low velocity you are getting. With a .30-06 you could get the same performance with less recoil because you will be burning less powder. Also, try a scope with more eye relief. You could also use one of those limbsaver shoulder pads. That combined with a good reoil pad would really help. Is the length of pull too long or short?

Another option would be to get a little .358 Win and load up some 200gr TSX bullets. You will still have the minumum weight, but the recoil will be much less.

Trust me, your shooting skills will increase dramatically if you go to a lighter recoiling rifle.
 
These are just my starting loads. I plan on going up 4-5 grains of powder as I got absolutely no signs of high pressure. The loads were fairly accurate, but I wont know until I get some more loaded up this weekend. I want to thank everyone for all the suggestions , This reloading newbie sure needed them.
 
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These are just my starting loads. I plan on going up 4-5 grains of powder as I got absolutely no signs of high pressure. The loads were fairly accurate, but I wont know until I get some more loaded up this weekend. I want to thank everyone for all the suggestions , This reloading newbie sure needed them.
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If you are concerned about the recoil now, just wait to you crank it up. Is it very important for you to use the .300? How long have you owned it? What did you hunt with before?
 
Now all is good, with the weighted buttstock(I put about 6 pounds of lead shot in it) and the recoil pad that actually soaks up some recoil, I dont mind it much at all. I still have my .308, my .30-06 pump, my .30-30 and my .338 ruger. (all of which seemed tame compared to this savage)
 
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