new long distance kill record (***new article in Macleans***)

Ceska said:
I am personally proud of our C.F. and the fact that we have the best snipers in the world should make a Canadian proud. Try, try again U.S.
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I think the matter goes a little bit beyond your basic "pride in the troops" in this case. While I recognise the significance of having certain individual feats of arms recognised and documented in the history/record books for future generations, I would find it rather unfortunate, unpalatable, if not outright wrong for such matters to become some sort of unoffical "competition" between two allied nation's specialised troops, if not an outright spectator sport, and it would in my opinion cast a significant shadow on our men's outstanding professionalism in the long run.

Such skill "contests", if any were to be held, should in my opinion be confined to the more peaceful/sportsmanlike settings of a range. There is nothing to be "proud" of in taking a man's life. Still sometimes it must be done and there are a myriad of reasons where killing someone is fully justified, that is not in question here.
 
This is not a contest.

It's a demonstration of team skill.

Note that it's taken this long to break to the media....(haven't read the MacLeans' article yet) but obviously there's been some hush hush around it. Not lording around *I'M THE BEST*

That's not the professional way to do it.

None of the guys I've met seem like the types to brag about something like this anyhow.

NS
 
Let's get over this now. Now that Mcleans printed the article, we all know who the shooter is and what his accomplishments are, buy the issue, read it, be proud and put all the assuptions to rest.
 
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From what little I know, one of the big issues was the way the Cdn Gov. handled this. They didn't like the fact that their "pet seals" were in actual fact very good and competent soldiers who when sent to a war zone will kill and become very good at it, within the bounds of the rules of war. these guys were treated like crap by the Gov. let them enjoy their time in the spotlight.
 
Speaking of not wanting to draw a lot of attention to themselves and their accomplishments: According to the article they all took a vow never to disclose how many kills they got -and this vow is apparently still intact.
 
Well it's about damn time........

Folks it's like this, these situations have been a burr in my ass since that fiasco in Somalia. We (Canadians) sent our troops to a combat zone then and now. This isn't some wiseass international "peace keeping" UN Joke. This is combat. We will kill the ememy and they will try to kill us. Sometimes they will kill us, but god willing and with the best equipment, training and support we will kill more of them. Reporters in a war zone are worse than the enemy. They want to know, they tell us they "have a right to know". Bulls**t, Let our soliders do the job they were sent to do and stop telling the horror of war stories at home. Those people who have never had the personal honour of service, lived as a solider or are generally uneducated in world issues will never understand that the world is not the wonderful utopian bliss of life that we live in Canada. Our soliders should be supported without question. How, when and where lives are taken is not a story or treat for readers or some news "scoop". Put down the notebook and pick up a gun...or get out of the way. Stories of troops, locations, movements, operations and every other activity while deployment should be treated as treason in a time of war.

Okay then...RANT is over.....Thanks
 
Strangeday said:
Folks it's like this, these situations have been a burr in my ass since that fiasco in Somalia. We (Canadians) sent our troops to a combat zone then and now. This isn't some wiseass international "peace keeping" UN Joke. This is combat. We will kill the ememy and they will try to kill us. Sometimes they will kill us, but god willing and with the best equipment, training and support we will kill more of them. Reporters in a war zone are worse than the enemy. They want to know, they tell us they "have a right to know". Bulls**t, Let our soliders do the job they were sent to do and stop telling the horror of war stories at home. Those people who have never had the personal honour of service, lived as a solider or are generally uneducated in world issues will never understand that the world is not the wonderful utopian bliss of life that we live in Canada. Our soliders should be supported without question. How, when and where lives are taken is not a story or treat for readers or some news "scoop". Put down the notebook and pick up a gun...or get out of the way. Stories of troops, locations, movements, operations and every other activity while deployment should be treated as treason in a time of war.

Okay then...RANT is over.....Thanks
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I'm glad that there are a number of people who share similar feelings about what military personnel do. Personally I can't stand certain reporters who go into a combat zone thinking that what they do this and that is more important than the task at hand....only to end up using up resources to err...save their @sses when they get captured.

While I'm glad that the military has been able to acheive the goal of training soldiers to the level they have become, war and combat are not games. The aim is not to get the farthest kill as a sniper. There are clear objectives and all soldiers take part in acheiving them as best as they can.
 
I think the story is kind of suspect in it's intent. After several years, mainstream national media is now just getting around to reporting this wide scale?

I think the real reason is to sell more magazines and nothing more. Afghanistan is in the forefront today because of our increased committment to the region and a few of our boys are being lost over there. I don't think it's a "hard sell" when you report relativley good news where much of the media focus is on negativity.
 
Colin said:
From what little I know, one of the big issues was the way the Cdn Gov. handled this. They didn't like the fact that their "pet seals" were in actual fact very good and competent soldiers who when sent to a war zone will kill and become very good at it, within the bounds of the rules of war. these guys were treated like crap by the Gov. let them enjoy their time in the spotlight.
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I also believe in a seperate incident Canadian Snipers were responsible for saving a number of American soldiers lives in Afganistan...OUR LIEBERAL government did NOT want them to get a Bronze Star that the U.S wanted to give to them?

http://www.collusion.org/Article.cfm?ID=392



Not sure if they ever got any recognition from those butthole LIEBERALS? oh wait....I remember something about a Military Ad in last election?:eek: Where is Martin now?
 
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Aside from biased comments like '...where 900 Canadian soldiers deployed as part of the U.S.-led retribution for Sept.11." , I think the article was well written.
I think it paints a very true picture of the Canadian government in power at the time, and military brass in the Canadian forces in general.
I definately recommend taking a trip to the dentist's or doctor's office and reading it for yourself.
 
RobSmith said:
There is nothing to be "proud" of in taking a man's life.
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If some dirtbags were raining down death on some of my friends,you bet your ass i'd be proud to take them out,and I'd do it with a smile on my face and a song in my heart.
 
Some people will never understand, those that have been, do.

Our troops have signed up to defend this country. They are sent on behalf of a government who made a decision, they do us proud.

I have nothing but the highest respect for those who choose to serve.

Good luck and god speed to those currently serving over seas.
 
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