New magazines causing FTFeed , any ideas welcome. m305

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I tried all mags withou magpulls on and they worked 100% without assistance and 100% while pressure applied to magazine (resting on mag). I am blaming sloppy old guns with the extra weight of the additional magazine and rounds as the culprit at this point in time. :)


I'm not very handy or knowledgeable with these rifles despite having a few. Picked up some 10/10 mags and tried some slow mag dumps with freshly greased guns. I can only get 100% success firing in 1/3 of the guns (tried 2 mag dumps each before rain scared me away). The other 2 get failure to feed and jam the bullet just below the entrance to the barrel after 1 or 2 shots.

One gun seems to have less front to back slop than the other (green digital camo, it seems to handle the mags ok).

Is it because of the design of the magazine causing this (smaller tab on the back) or something with the guns themselves? Is there any easy way to remedy this if it is? Is JB welding a little extra to the tab on the mag and sanding it smooth rediculous? Is that considered modifying the magazine?

I could use some ideas. Spent 2 hours googling but haven't really come up with much.

Here's a picture showing a 5/20 mag , 10/10 AIA mag, 5/5 mag. (I knew the tab on the 10/10 was shorter, but just realized it's also not as thick when viewing from the side).

Also will upload a video showing the slop in the 3 guns soon as it's done processing. (forgot to hold the phone sideways, sorry about that if it's your pet peeve)

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GOSH that video is so bad, to make it watchable (somewhat better) you have to click the HD link and watch on vimeo's site.
 
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what type of spring guide rod do you have?
it may be as simple as replacing it with a new one to give more tension on the front of the mag.
the whole reason those mags work in lots of these rifles is that spring guides wedge end putting pressure on the front of the mag
could also be the weight of that set up you have there with the mag wedgie coupler.
take that jazz off and try with one mag and a new S&J hardware (my fave) spring guide and million cycle spring
and get back to us ;)

p.s. you can not modify the magazine to fit the rifle, no way , no how
 
From what I understand, you absolutely cannot modify a magazine to allow it to work in a rifle it was not designed for, and that any mods put you in possession of a prohibited device.
I'm not sure if your remedy falls under "modifying" or not, so you will want to get clarity on this before proceeding.

That video sure shows a lot of play with AIA, but they also don't have the front notch cutout to allow the rear of the oprod guide to hold it under spring tension.

If the rounds nose is "jamming", then the nose of your mag is sitting too low not giving the proper upward angle to allow the round to ride up into the chamber.
This may be because the AIA mags don't have that front notch cut out.

If its the body that's jamming, then perhaps the rear of your mag is sitting too low, which as you've shown is likely due to the higher tab.

Have you tried holding the mag up with your hand while firing?
Holding the mag like a vertical grip, try giving it forward pressure and rear pressure while firing, if forward helps, then the mags nose is dipping, if rear helps, then your tab is too high.

If nothing helps, then you may want to get an M10.

Drilling that front cutout most definitely makes that a prohib device.
 
45ACPKING said:
what type of spring guide rod do you have?
it may be as simple as replacing it with a new one to give more tension on the front of the mag.
the whole reason those mags work in lots of these rifles is that spring guides wedge end putting pressure on the front of the mag
could also be the weight of that set up you have there with the mag wedgie coupler.
take that jazz off and try with one mag and a new S&J hardware (my fave) spring guide and million cycle spring
and get back to us ;)

p.s. you can not modify the magazine to fit the rifle, no way , no how
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the digital camo gun has stock op rod guide, the painted archangel one has aftermarket op rod guide and spring (not sure which, but its way thicker and has 4 grooves on it and different spring), black archangel one has stock oprod guide and spring.

Seems loose without the magwedge and extra mag still, but haven't test fired.

I'm thinking about trying to swap the oprods/spring guides between the 1 gun that kinda likes the mags, but I'll also try holding the mags up without the magwedge / extra mag at the range and get back to you guys.
 
that metal tab on the back of the magazine fit's into a slot inside the rifle. If that tab is smaller than usual, there is going to be play. Perhaps it might be possible to add some material on the rifle to better fix the AIA mags. However, doing this would remove the ability to use USGI mags.
 
I'm curious now as to what brand those mags are.
Are the NR magazine mags?
Genuine AIA M10 mags (notice I didn't say AIA enfield hehehe)
Or are they the new Elander M10 magazines?
Or???
 
how many of the elander mags did you get? are all the tabs on the back smaller than M305 mags?
 
jonh172 said:
From what I understand, you absolutely cannot modify a magazine to allow it to work in a rifle it was not designed for, and that any mods put you in possession of a prohibited device.


Drilling that front cutout most definitely makes that a prohib device.
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Can you point me in the right direction on where you got this information?.... I was under the impression that as long as you didnt modify the magazine to hold more rounds of the calibre for which it was designed, you were ok. If you want to drill holes in your mag or paint it or engrave your name on it, that should be your option. I tried google but nothing came up on it.
cheers
 
jjort said:
Can you point me in the right direction on where you got this information?.... I was under the impression that as long as you didnt modify the magazine to hold more rounds of the calibre for which it was designed, you were ok. If you want to drill holes in your mag or paint it or engrave your name on it, that should be your option. I tried google but nothing came up on it.
cheers
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If you were to take a 10 shot magazine designed and manufactured for a bolt action rifle, and alter it to work in an autoloading rifle, you are manufacturing a prohibited device.
 
It already works in an autoloading rifle, no altering required..drilling a hole in the front does not change that....I would like an official link that says I cant modify a magazine that has already been approved by RCMP.
 
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It's design and intent is for a bolt action. It just si happens to work in some autoloaders, but as superz post demonstrates, not all. Modifying it to ensure it works in an autoloaders would be in essence manufacturing a prohibited device since a magazine for an autoloader cannot hold more than 5 rounds.
 
jjort said:
It already works in an autoloading rifle, no altering required..drilling a hole in the front does not change that....I would like an official link that says I cant modify a magazine that has already been approved by RCMP.
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The AIA type magazine is manufactured without the hole in its front face - the hole that engages the front magazine catch in a M-14 type rifle. Add that hole, and you have manufactured a M-14 type magazine.
 
Odd Shot said:
It's design and intent is for a bolt action. It just si happens to work in some autoloaders, but as superz post demonstrates, not all. Modifying it to ensure it works in an autoloaders would be in essence manufacturing a prohibited device since a magazine for an autoloader cannot hold more than 5 rounds.
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I apologize to the OP for the thread hijack but I still think that the answers I am getting are just opinions. I would not call drilling a hole in a magazine "manufacturing a prohibited device". What if the OP decided to glue or permanently attach the magazine to the rifle? what about manufacturing a device that allows pistol magazines to be used in rifles? Where is the reference material on this? Nobody seems to have a problem with changing the followers on LAR magazines or filing the back square on .50 Beowulf magazines.
 
jjort said:
I apologize to the OP for the thread hijack but I still think that the answers I am getting are just opinions. I would not call drilling a hole in a magazine "manufacturing a prohibited device". What if the OP decided to glue or permanently attach the magazine to the rifle? what about manufacturing a device that allows pistol magazines to be used in rifles? Where is the reference material on this? Nobody seems to have a problem with changing the followers on LAR magazines or filing the back square on .50 Beowulf magazines.
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the answers you are getting are not opinions, they are fact
if you put that hole in there, you have made an m14 magazine, NO GREY AREA there my friend.
if you don't trust the good advice given here, call the technicians at CFC, and have them share with you what will happen should you do that ;) they will probably know where you live before the phone call ends :D
yer magazine..... do what you want, just don't tell us about it, we don't want to know
 
Call 1 800 731 4000. Get patched through to a tech. Explain that you want to modify an AIA type bolt action rifle magazine so that it will effectively engage the front catch on a M-14 type rifle. Get it right from the horse's mouth.
 
tiriaq said:
Call 1 800 731 4000. Get patched through to a tech. Explain that you want to modify an AIA type bolt action rifle magazine so that it will effectively engage the front catch on a M-14 type rifle. Get it right from the horse's mouth.
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Sorry jjort, but 45 ACPKING and Tiriaq are correct. Not that any of us like it, in this case.

As soon as you start making mods, you are "re-manufacturing". Drilling a hole is clearly NOT needed for an AIA Enfield bolt action, and only needed for an M14 type of firearm, so it's clear you are "re-manufacturing" a magazine for a center fire semi-auto, so you'll have to block it to 5 rounds as part of your "re-manufacturing" process. Which makes it all pointless.

The only good thing about the "re-manufacturing" gibberish is that a person could, theoretically, take a 5/20 rd M14 magazine, and "re-manufacture" it with some holes or some extra tabs or something, and make it a full 20/20 round mag "re-manufactured" for some bolt action rifle, and use it in that rifle. Never heard of anyone actually bothering though...
 
I guess if it gets discussed on the internet long enough, it becomes a fact. I just got back from the range and my guide rod must be really sharp because it looks like it is wearing a hole in the front of the mag. I hope that it doesnt affect the operation of the rifle because it works perfectly with 10 rds right now.
 
jjort said:
Awesome...I believe you... please show me where you got this fact. I would love to read up on it
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I got it from my hard copies of the firearms act as it pertains to individuals and businesses, and the accompanying booklet called understanding the firearms act. It's interesting what one can receive in the mail from cFC if one requests it. Some prefer to troll the internet... Others go find out for themselves ;)

Very early on in the AIA rifle's existence in canada, I had a line on quality magazines for the M14. we're going back to mid 2000's.
So, I wanted to chop the 20 round mag bodies and with a die, shape them into 10 round bodies, tig weld the front tab closed... And voila a 10 round canadian AIA M10 mag. I thought I was gonna make out like a bandit with prices of AIA mags in EE at 250 a pop at the time. The CFC cleared up any notion that it would be legal to do so, it was pretty cut and dry that the mags would be deemed prohibited devices and my evil genius plan to make AIA mags died on the shop floor before we even got started. Reason, it started life as a semi auto magazine (5round cap) and no matter what you do to it, it remains a semi auto magazine(5round cap)

But you go ahead :D
 
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