New Marlin XLR > Long Range!!
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when i see 'em on the shelf, I intend to try 'em. Provided I don't have to give up my trigger finger to afford 'em.
I don't need them, not at all, but, they are different, and I'd love to see how different they really are.
I don't need them, not at all, but, they are different, and I'd love to see how different they really are.
Amphibious said:Took enough Business courses in High School and Uni to know exactly what "lever revolution" isa bunch of numbers is irrelevent at this point
"down Homer" WTF?
have you noticed most gun writers and gun shop salesmen are overweight aged white males? not all, but most. so I see it as a valid statement
University?? did they not teach you how to spell irrelevant in that special school??
Sorry Phib but I fail to see how it is necessary to rail against new developments in the shooting and hunting industry.
I find it a little bit humorous that it is the same players that are always trying to win points by disproving everything.
Down homer was in response to your cheap shot at the "East"... that was just a trailer-park comment.
As far as all gun writers being overweight you are full of it... I have several friends and acquaintances who make a living writing/hunting... and even the 50year olds are in better shape than most 20 year olds.
Same goes for gun shop salesmen... I will be seeing most of the Ontario gunstore people on the 28'th at the dealer show again this year. Most of them are late 30's early 40's and most are outdoors people that are very fit and very knowledgeable firearms enthusiasts.
I submit that your statement is invalid... I see it as just another lame attempt to deflect from a weak argument and contrary attitude.
nit-picking at spelling? really scraping the bottom of the barrel eh?
no stab at the east. you're the one that submitted that those against this lever revolution were subjects of "one dimensional" hunting and shooting....
hunted ontario, Quebec, British Columbia, and the Middle East. and I still think it's a marketing ploy.
hey, but that's ok. some people like WSM and Semi-autos. just show's anything will sell
no stab at the east. you're the one that submitted that those against this lever revolution were subjects of "one dimensional" hunting and shooting....
hunted ontario, Quebec, British Columbia, and the Middle East. and I still think it's a marketing ploy.
hey, but that's ok. some people like WSM and Semi-autos. just show's anything will sell
todbartell said:
What is Ackley Improved?
Would it make a significant change to the ballistics of a .30.30?
I used my .30.30 for 17 years and it served me just fine on the moose and the deer. In Aberta, having a long range rifle is handy so I went to a new.308 can opener a few years back.
If these new .30.30 rounds are as awsome as they are saying, and are going to be in the same class as .300 savage and slighty behind the .308, then it'll be back to the .30.30 for me.
I was looking at a .257 for deer but no need if the new .30.30 holds to the hype.
Mumptia said:
What is going on here? A 30-30 will NEVER be the equal of a .308! I am rather suprised that this was even suggested!
less case capacity+lower max pressure due to thin brass= less velocity (much less in this case - no pun intended)
Add to that a coice of one pointy bullet compared to probably 50 different (or more) pointy bullets and I don't see how anyone would want to get rid of their .308.
Mumptia - keep your .308! Or go back to the 30-30 and recognize, as you did before, its limitations.
Oh yes, one more thing...vote Conservative.
Nobody suggested that you should get rid of a .308 for a 30-30...
I was only pointing out that the new Hornady ammo and the return of the 24" barrel Marlins gives about 30% more energy and kicks the velocity up for the lever action hunters.
I made the comment that it should shoot as well as a .308.... this was only in reference to the ability to kill deer at longer ranges.
Apparently that was enough of a comment to clear the benches.
I get a little pissed at the negativity sometimes... it seems like every time there is a new product, caliber or anything that is not tried and true the detractors jump all over it.
The same old arguments like... "just a marketing ploy" ... "it won't perform as well as advertised"... " You don't need anything but a 30-06".
The kicker is that most of the arguments are from people who have not tried or tested any of these products... and even when the "proof" is indisputable they will not "man up" and admit to their mistakes... remember the predicted demise of the WSSM's? I have not heard even one of the those genius's admit they were wrong about that one.
The fact that any new developments in the firearms industry are good for the shooting sports should be obvious to even the most cynical among us... don't you think.
I was only pointing out that the new Hornady ammo and the return of the 24" barrel Marlins gives about 30% more energy and kicks the velocity up for the lever action hunters.
I made the comment that it should shoot as well as a .308.... this was only in reference to the ability to kill deer at longer ranges.
Apparently that was enough of a comment to clear the benches.
I get a little pissed at the negativity sometimes... it seems like every time there is a new product, caliber or anything that is not tried and true the detractors jump all over it.
The same old arguments like... "just a marketing ploy" ... "it won't perform as well as advertised"... " You don't need anything but a 30-06".
The kicker is that most of the arguments are from people who have not tried or tested any of these products... and even when the "proof" is indisputable they will not "man up" and admit to their mistakes... remember the predicted demise of the WSSM's? I have not heard even one of the those genius's admit they were wrong about that one.
The fact that any new developments in the firearms industry are good for the shooting sports should be obvious to even the most cynical among us... don't you think.
I believe the WSSM will be gone soon.
I guess we are bored. It seems that lately there have been few good, *new* threads. We have:
1. Bear threads
2. My first new gun threads
3. Tikka T3 vs. SPS vs. Vanguard threads
4. similar cartridge vs. similar cartridge threads
5. Election/Anti-Liberal/Handgun ban threads
I guess we are bored. It seems that lately there have been few good, *new* threads. We have:
1. Bear threads
2. My first new gun threads
3. Tikka T3 vs. SPS vs. Vanguard threads
4. similar cartridge vs. similar cartridge threads
5. Election/Anti-Liberal/Handgun ban threads
I'm getting one!
336XLR price is $729.99 at SIR Cat.# 422170. They are currently on order with no ETA as yet. They are only planning to stock the 336XLR at this time. for everyone information the twist is 1:12r.h not 1:20 as originally stated (Typo) apparently. I'm selling one of my 336CS to help fill my bank account. I'm planning on installing Kwik Site See Thru mounts and a Bushnell Elite 3200 Firefly (picked it up on ebay) my replace my 45-70 for black bear.
336XLR price is $729.99 at SIR Cat.# 422170. They are currently on order with no ETA as yet. They are only planning to stock the 336XLR at this time. for everyone information the twist is 1:12r.h not 1:20 as originally stated (Typo) apparently. I'm selling one of my 336CS to help fill my bank account. I'm planning on installing Kwik Site See Thru mounts and a Bushnell Elite 3200 Firefly (picked it up on ebay) my replace my 45-70 for black bear.
BIGREDD said:I get a little pissed at the negativity sometimes... it seems like every time there is a new product, caliber or anything that is not tried and true the detractors jump all over it.
The same old arguments like... "just a marketing ploy" ... "it won't perform as well as advertised"... " You don't need anything but a 30-06".
The kicker is that most of the arguments are from people who have not tried or tested any of these products... and even when the "proof" is indisputable they will not "man up" and admit to their mistakes... remember the predicted demise of the WSSM's? I have not heard even one of the those genius's admit they were wrong about that one.
The fact that any new developments in the firearms industry are good for the shooting sports should be obvious to even the most cynical among us... don't you think.
I'm with you there.
Too much negativity. It's almost as if the short mag detractors get personally offended when someone buys one.
Whenever ANYTHING new comes up, there is always a certain amount of detractors that ##### about how it is "not neccesry,it's marketing, don't NEED it...etc"
Well, hunters and shooters don't NEED very much at all. Yes, we could all get by with a 30-06. But there are people that like new cartridges like short mags, and then there are guys that build rifles for impractical wildcats when the same performance is offered for far less cost in a factory rife and factory cartridge.
It comes down to whatever turns your crank...
BIGREDD said:
I do. The 30-30 will do what the 308 will do in 99.99999% of eastern hunting situations, and does whether the internet experts like it or not.
That 200 FPS is going to make the difference between the bullet being a pass through, or bouncing off
Methinks not...Now having said that, I have owned a 30-30, 308, 30-06, and 300 WM all at the same time, and have killed Deer with all.
Has there been any discernable difference in killing abilities between the four? NO, NO there has not been. All have pretty much done the same thing within the same ranges...
I shot a moose this year with a 30-30, and did it go 500 yards? No, it folded up where it was hit.
Rarely will you see a shot outside of 150 yds out here. And if you think the animal your shooting is going to know the difference at that distance, you've succumbed to the marketing ploy.
The same marketing ploy that sold you a 450 Marlin over a 45-70...
The only way I can see THIS marlin being of benifit is to Ackley Improve it.
The reason I think this, is I think that a 24 inch barrel on a 30-30 is beyond the point of diminishing returns.
I dont think that you'll see a difference of 75 FPS between the 20 inch barrel, and the 24 inch barrel on the 30-30, but add some powder and case capacity (or better, rechamber it for a 307, what a novel Idea
) Than, you'll see 308 velocities, and likely a tad more with it being out of a 24 inch barrel. If you ackley, you could still use your factory 30-30 ammo, and handload hotter "Improved" rounds.
Personally I wouldnt buy this gun. If it were blued and walnut, maybe.
The new lever Im lining up for is the Timber takedown. It floats my boat, and really, thats all I care about.
Instead of crossing my arms, and saying i dont like that before I've even seen it, Im going to try the lever revolution in a few guns at REDDs range when it comes available here. Personally, I cant wait to try it.
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1899 said:What is going on here? A 30-30 will NEVER be the equal of a .308! I am rather suprised that this was even suggested!
less case capacity+lower max pressure due to thin brass= less velocity (much less in this case - no pun intended)
Add to that a coice of one pointy bullet compared to probably 50 different (or more) pointy bullets and I don't see how anyone would want to get rid of their .308.
Mumptia - keep your .308! Or go back to the 30-30 and recognize, as you did before, its limitations.
Oh yes, one more thing...vote Conservative.
Ohhh I'm keeping my BLR. It's too effective in the bush not to. I love it, but the same goes for my .30.30.
I really like the idea of being able to shoot deer in fields at longer ranges with the .30.30. Looking at the ballistics 250 yards is not out of the question for this new round. That is going to make a huge difference in hunting the farms up here in the north.
This is the first new round that has really caught my eye over the past few years.
But that Ackley improved has my attention now.
Does the brass have to be annealed before reducing or stretching the neck to allow for more powder?
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Mumptia said:But that Ackley improved has my attention now.
Does the brass have to be annealed before reducing or stretching the neck to allow for more powder?
I don't know about a few loadings down the road Mumptia, but I watched a guy at our club simpley fire forming 30-30 ammo to get his Ackley Improved brass. In fact he saw that I was interested in the process and gave me a piece of brass. Cool looking little round. He also let me shoot a couple as described above. His H and R Ultra 30-30 AI rifle actually had minute of pie plate accuracey (off hand) shooting factory 30-30 ammo
