New match rifle from Insite

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Spent the past week getting this rifle dialled to head to Meaford this weekend:

Defiance Deviant Elite
Hawkhill M24 contour 26" 6mm Creedmoor chambered/threaded/installed by Insite with one of their Heathen brakes
Trigger Tech Special, straight blade black PVD
MDT ESS chassis with Arca adapter
Bushnell HDMR2 in MDT rings with an Accuracy 1st level

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5 rounds at 100 yards:

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5 rounds at 200 yards:

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Standing hits on a 2/3 IPSC at 830, no problem:

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This thing hammers, just my last 6mm Creedmoor they did for me on a trued Rem 700. This is my first custom action and wow, this thing is smooooth and it just oozes a quality feel. Interestingly I was able to get the TT Special to quite a noticeably lower pull weight (by feel) than I could get my other 2 in Rem 700s to go without having issues. I'm thinking it must be the improved bolt timing in the Defiance. I'm stoked to compare it to my Nucleus that I'll have this week.

Should be replacing the ESS with the new MDT Comp chassis sometime soon and have a Leupold Mk 5 5-25 coming as well. I'll be sending out the action to get DLC'd over the winter and will be getting the guys at Insite to do me up a 6.5x47L barrel for this action as well. Much as I like 6mm for matches, it's a pain to have to manage your barrel life so closely, haha. That being said, a 110 SMK at 3100 is really a thing of beauty :)
 
Thanks all, I sure like it, haha.

Bcboarder, in response to your question on 6mm Creedmoor in the other thread, I quite like it for competition. The performance you get is astounding. My load pushes 110 SMKs with a G7 bc of 0.317 at 3100 fps. It's something like 6 mils to 1000 yards. Pretty much a laser beam with zero recoil. It is interesting to "manage" though and I'm still learning exactly how to do that. In my experience so far (and this is only my 2nd 6mm creed barrel) you get a decent increase in velocity in the first 175 or so rounds and it then stabilizes till about 900 rounds. I've been measuring throat erosion as I go in order to see if I can tie the 2 together to better be able to predict when the velocity will start dropping off. My 1st barrel is at 1450ish rounds and as it stands, I won't use it for a 2 day match, just one day club matches. I'll probably retire it to practice status after another club match or 2. In any case, running a 6mm is a far cry from something like a .308 where you work up a load and it shoots more or less for the life of the barrel. That's why I'm going to get a 6.5 barrel on this action as well, to have something with more performance and less recoil than .308 but that I'll happily take out to plink and practice with as well, instead of solely using it for matches like I do with my 6mms. In my opinion, if you run a 6mm you need something else to practice with, be it a .308 or a .223 (I use both) or tons of cash and barrels galore, haha.
 
adamg said:
For the record, you don't "have" to run that bullet at 3100fps. Could take it down a notch to help with barrel life.
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I ran my last barrel (1-7.5) at 3050fps with no pressure signs and tons of room left to go up (I had it running over 100fps faster in load dev with no pressure signs). I also worked this barrel (1-8) up higher with no issues. In fact the new load is 0.1 grain lower than my old one, I figure the extra speed is the slower twist. I'm well aware that I can run it slower but if I wanted to push bullets around 2800-2900 I'd run a Dasher, ya know? Barrels are consumables, after all ;)
 
Rugbydave thanks for the info. I'm thinking of building a 6mm creedmoor for the lower recoil and flatter trajectory. I'm just getting into trying to hit targets at longer ranges. I already have a 308 which is in my mind my learning gun and a 6mm would be for more serious shooting tasks.
 
bcboarder said:
Rugbydave thanks for the info. I'm thinking of building a 6mm creedmoor for the lower recoil and flatter trajectory. I'm just getting into trying to hit targets at longer ranges. I already have a 308 which is in my mind my learning gun and a 6mm would be for more serious shooting tasks.
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To be honest, I wouldn't get a 6mm if I didn't compete. I have a couple .308s and really enjoy them and shoot them out to 940 yards routinely. I used one of them in a PRS ELR match in March (in Tac class) and made hits as far as 1500 yards. You really learn a lot about the wind shooting a .308 and unless you routinely shoot much past 800 yards, I'd say stick with a .308 and just shoot it a lot. If you want something more high performance, get a 6.5mm (of whatever flavour) as it's a bit more of a happy medium between performance and barrel life. A 6.5mm calibre can get you more like 3000 rounds of barrel life, has very low recoil and much better ballistics than a .308. It also depends on how much you plan on shooting, even shooting 50 rounds a week, a 6mm won't last you a year. Just my 2 cents
 
rugbydave said:
To be honest, I wouldn't get a 6mm if I didn't compete. I have a couple .308s and really enjoy them and shoot them out to 940 yards routinely. I used one of them in a PRS ELR match in March (in Tac class) and made hits as far as 1500 yards. You really learn a lot about the wind shooting a .308 and unless you routinely shoot much past 800 yards, I'd say stick with a .308 and just shoot it a lot. If you want something more high performance, get a 6.5mm (of whatever flavour) as it's a bit more of a happy medium between performance and barrel life. A 6.5mm calibre can get you more like 3000 rounds of barrel life, has very low recoil and much better ballistics than a .308. It also depends on how much you plan on shooting, even shooting 50 rounds a week, a 6mm won't last you a year. Just my 2 cents
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Your awesome! Love the build. This is one of the reasons I've still been shooting 308 Winchester. When I actually get time to get out and shoot I like to put alot of rounds down the barrel and this has been my primary issues with 6MM rounds in general is the barrel burning nature. I will one day build a 6MM Dasher on a Howa mini action though.
 
rugbydave said:
To be honest, I wouldn't get a 6mm if I didn't compete. I have a couple .308s and really enjoy them and shoot them out to 940 yards routinely. I used one of them in a PRS ELR match in March (in Tac class) and made hits as far as 1500 yards. You really learn a lot about the wind shooting a .308 and unless you routinely shoot much past 800 yards, I'd say stick with a .308 and just shoot it a lot. If you want something more high performance, get a 6.5mm (of whatever flavour) as it's a bit more of a happy medium between performance and barrel life. A 6.5mm calibre can get you more like 3000 rounds of barrel life, has very low recoil and much better ballistics than a .308. It also depends on how much you plan on shooting, even shooting 50 rounds a week, a 6mm won't last you a year. Just my 2 cents
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^^^^ This is good advice.

I love 30hate as well, but wanted something a little more.

I went a little old school with a .260 Rem. This past weekend I was making consistent hits at 1000 meters, and multiple hits at 1500 meters.
I am expecting a 3000 round life expectancy the .260 barrel, and my 30hate has over 5000 rounds through it.The 30hate barrel is due to be changed this fall with a IBI barrel. ;)
 
Thanks for all the replies and sorry for the slight thread hijack. I'll keep shooting and learning with the 308 and dreaming of the next rifle. Again awesome looking setup. :sniper:
 
bcboarder said:
Thanks for all the replies and sorry for the slight thread hijack. I'll keep shooting and learning with the 308 and dreaming of the next rifle. Again awesome looking setup. :sniper:
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Always keep a308 handy.... one never knows. :evil: I have both 308 and 260 PR rigs! :cool:

Rugby Dave:

See you in Meaford LRSC in a few days! :wave:

Yes Skullboy, I was just shooting with Ryan and Graham at the Nationals of DCRA NSCC, IBI Barrel next for my AI AT....once Ryan gets building my new barrel.

Cheers, Barney
 
bcboarder said:
Thanks for all the replies and sorry for the slight thread hijack. I'll keep shooting and learning with the 308 and dreaming of the next rifle. Again awesome looking setup. :sniper:
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Remember that if you have a 308 now, any other related 6mm or 6.5 is just a barrel away.... you don't need to think of investing in a whole new rig... unless you want to of course.

Depending on the action you have now, there might even be prefits available which can drop your cost of entry a lot.

I think you will find that those who compete start to have a nice assortment of barrels for their rigs. Varying age/wear and chamberings... it is just what happens.

I am about to jump down the 22 Creedmoor rabbit hole... mostly because I have 1400 90gr Bergers that need to get shot. Do I need a 22 Creedmoor? Is it some wonder option?... nope. I just like playing with different chamberings and have been curious about this wildcat for some time.

And with a prefit, the swap will take me 5 minutes.

So keep shooting your 308 and building skills... that is most important but if you want another exotic set up for competition, or S&G's, maybe another barrel is all you really need.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
Remember that if you have a 308 now, any other related 6mm or 6.5 is just a barrel away.... you don't need to think of investing in a whole new rig... unless you want to of course.

Depending on the action you have now, there might even be prefits available which can drop your cost of entry a lot.

I think you will find that those who compete start to have a nice assortment of barrels for their rigs. Varying age/wear and chamberings... it is just what happens.

I am about to jump down the 22 Creedmoor rabbit hole... mostly because I have 1400 90gr Bergers that need to get shot. Do I need a 22 Creedmoor? Is it some wonder option?... nope. I just like playing with different chamberings and have been curious about this wildcat for some time.

And with a prefit, the swap will take me 5 minutes.

So keep shooting your 308 and building skills... that is most important but if you want another exotic set up for competition, or S&G's, maybe another barrel is all you really need.

Jerry
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1400 bullets is going to require, what, about 3 barrels?
 
TacticalTeacher said:
Always keep a308 handy.... one never knows. :evil: I have both 308 and 260 PR rigs! :cool:

Rugby Dave:

See you in Meaford LRSC in a few days! :wave:

Yes Skullboy, I was just shooting with Ryan and Graham at the Nationals of DCRA NSCC, IBI Barrel next for my AI AT....once Ryan gets building my new barrel.

Cheers, Barney
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See ya soon Barney, I'm sitting at the airport in van waiting for my flight, haha.
 
buji88 said:
Your awesome! Love the build. This is one of the reasons I've still been shooting 308 Winchester. When I actually get time to get out and shoot I like to put alot of rounds down the barrel and this has been my primary issues with 6MM rounds in general is the barrel burning nature. I will one day build a 6MM Dasher on a Howa mini action though.
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Depending on what action you're currently using, you could always just get another barrel done up as well and just change them around as you like. I'm a big fan of switch-barrel setups. When my new scope arrives, I'll basically have 4 rigs, a .308 Rem 700 with a pinned recoil lug that will also be getting a (most likely) 6.5-284 barrel for hunting, a Rem 700 with a .223, .308 and 6mm Creedmoor barrel, my Defiance that has a 6Creed barrel and will get a 6.5x47L barrel and my Nucleus that has a 6Creed barrel and is getting a 7SAUM (for ELR) and .223 barrel. The original idea was to just have one action and scope and multiple barrels but apparently I got carried away, haha. Still, I like the concept, just one scope, action, chassis, trigger and a few different barrels and bolts (or bolt heads). You get to cover all your bases with a minimal cost.
 
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