New Model 70, WHOOPS?

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I just got one yesterday, feather weight 30-06. Went to level the scope and noticed the stock was warped! From the pistol grip to the recoil pad it's bent to the right noticeably (too bad not noticeably in the damn store!). What the hell can be done? It might not judged be bad enough by the seller. Can a complaint be made to the manufacturer? Is it possible to straighten?Any help appreciated.
 
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Finger Toes said:
I just got one yesterday, feather weight 30-06. Went to level the scope and noticed the stock was warped! From the pistol grip to the recoil pad it's bent to the right noticeably (too bad not noticeably in the damn store!). What the hell can be done? It might not judged be bad enough by the seller. Can a complaint be made to the manufacturer? Is it possible to straighten?Any help appreciated.
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Take it back to the store.


Some people like some cast in their stock. I have a few shotguns that are cast quite a bit, and its intentional in the manufacturing. Not sure if Winchester employs this method...
 
No!

I gotta figure out this pic thing. You look down the rifle from the bbl and it's crooked. I don't think crooked stocks are on Purpose man. If they were you would see them all that way! Why aren't H-S stocks or McMillan stocks bent to keep them away from your face?
 
Finger Toes said:
I gotta figure out this pic thing. You look down the rifle from the bbl and it's crooked. I don't think crooked stocks are on Purpose man. If they were you would see them all that way! Why aren't H-S stocks or McMillan stocks bent to keep them away from your face?
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Not saying that it isn't a defect, just that some guns are designed that way. I'd still return it to the store...
 
I had a Model 70 featherweight; it did indeed have a slightly cast-off stock. Take it to the shop. Are there others to compare it to? I wouldn't be surprised if they're all like that.
 
The way it's warped if as if the butt end is the tail of a fish flexed laterally as viewed from behind. It's flexed to the right so I would guess this would push the rifle into the shooter in recoil. It's not a hockey stick but don't a lot of accuracy probs star in the stock?
 
OK I talked to the store and they didn't know about any cast but they're going to ask Win about it or whoever they are now. I wasn't aware of cast before now but was told its more of a shot gunners preference that a centerfire shooters. Sorry if I came off as an pecker head but a got a little excited there.
 
If it were me, I would take it back to the store to check to see if this is normal. If not completely satisfied with what the store tells you, I would contact Winchester by phone based on the info at:

http://www.winchesterguns.com/services/faq/detail.asp?ID=244

and explain to them your concerns.

In the end, you must decide for yourself if you want to put up with something like this and if you don't, you should get a refund or an exchange for one that has a stock with a conventional design.

Good luck!

Duke1

PS. I guess my post was done at the same time as your last one - sorry!
 
If you're right handed and the stock is cast off, I'd count my blessings as many people, myself included, find it a very appealing feature. If everything lines up well when you put it up to your shoulder, you win!
 
Talked to a few other stores and they claim the M 70s they have are all straight (one store guy I trust completely said no cast at all). The prob is most stores have only one or two M 70s. I bought the only one they had but their working on the prob so I guess I'll find out later.
 
blargon said:
:runaway: Where's the QC???
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Right here with their new facilities. :D

Sorry to hear of your bad luck. Did the store trade you stocks or offer to return the rifle?
 
I just took it back for a full refund, no Qs asked. The have had 2 returns out of both rifles the had! They are sour on selling Wins now! The first one seemed fishy though, the guy brought it back with the bolt race on the right hand side broke off the receiver! I think he put the bases on and then couldn't get the bolt back in and applied a huge amount of force somehow and pried the rail up. The bases I bought were the same, they needed the screws shortened a hair for they were hanging just slightly into to raceway. Almost an unnoticeable amount but maybe the new receivers are slightly thinner than they were before but long base screws are nothing new eh?............Like your toilet though!
 
A lot of high end stocks are made with both cast off and toe-out. Guys pay a bundle for these stocks and the purpose of them is to place the center line of the comb closer to your cheek and to keep the toe of the stock from digging into your chest muscles. Now, perhaps the stock did slip in the duplicator to cause this or it may have been designed like that to provide a better fit. Unless you know which is the case for sure it may not have been a defect at all.
 
If the new stocks are being produced by FN, they almost certainly are cast off by design. Even inexpensive European rifles are usually cast off. For someone with a thin face and body, this is often overdone.
With all production rifles, the shooter adapts to the stock. Some stocks require more or less adaptation by some shooters than others. I require little or no cast but do like the stock toed out quite a bit.
It is unlikely that your stock was warped and very likely that it was intentionally made that way. A moot point since you have already returned the rifle.
The new Model 70's I have looked at are nothing special but they appear to be a decent rifle. Regards, Bill
 
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