New Non Restricted Purchase Procedures at SFRC

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As many of you know, you now have to send in a picture of your PAL and a secondary piece of photo ID when you purchase a non restricted firearm online. This new rule applies to all non face to face transactions both business and private. Video chats to prove your identity will also be an option

Tomorrow we will be altering our invoices and checkout screens to show how to send in your ID. At this time two options will be available. You can email them or you can text them to us. We will have a text only cell phone at the store for customers to text in their order number and ID. All pictures, sent by email or by text, will be purged at the end of each business day.

We have decided to not put in an automatic upload section in checkout at this time as we feel it will make checkout more difficult for some people.


If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Ryan
 
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Even if this registry is horse####, I appreciate the update and the big push you guys did to help us get our orders in on time. Thank you.
 
This new process is opening up new opportunity for hackers to steal copy of photo IDs. Large corporations with multi million sollars budget got hacked. Can you imagine small businesses??
 
bacardi said:
This new process is opening up new opportunity for hackers to steal copy of photo IDs. Large corporations with multi million sollars budget got hacked. Can you imagine small businesses??
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There is no reason for us to store them and they are deleted after they are sent, I'm not overly concerned. Most data breaches at large corporations are stored data breaches.

Ryan
 
Chemist said:
There is no reason for us to store them and they are deleted after they are sent, I'm not overly concerned. Most data breaches at large corporations are stored data breaches.

Ryan
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Sorry maybe I misunderstood but don’t the Turd government is telling you guys to keep record for at least 20 years? Aren’t pictures of ID and PAL part of the record that businesses and individuals need to keep as evidence?

I think if you stay with text only it is safer in some way from hackers. But email and web submissions have higher probability of being hacked (depends how much cyber security you invested in).

Yeah I will never buy NR from another individuals that lives out of provinces. How about in person transactions, do sellers still need to take photo of ID? Or just view it?
 
The secondary id picture is not neceessary its something maybe SFRC has implemented into a sale, ive purchased a nr firearm after the 18th and all they needed was my pal info.
 
bacardi said:
Sorry maybe I misunderstood but don’t the Turd government is telling you guys to keep record for at least 20 years? Aren’t pictures of ID and PAL part of the record that businesses and individuals need to keep as evidence?
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(2) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, keep the following information in respect of the transfer:
(a) the reference number issued by the Registrar;
(b) the day on which the reference number was issued;
(c) the transferee's licence number; and
(d) the firearm's make, model and type and, if any, its serial number.


Syxtus said:
The secondary id picture is not neceessary its something maybe SFRC has implemented into a sale, ive purchased a nr firearm after the 18th and all they needed was my pal info.
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Unless the PAL was physically seen by the seller (in person or via zoom or other similar) then they are required to get a copy of a secondary ID as well as the PAL.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/buying-and-selling-transferring-firearms



Online: The licence verification process can be initiated online by the transferor (seller) through the Individual Web Services or Business Web Services portals.

The transferor (seller) will be required to provide the following information:
the transferee's (buyer's) licence number, date of birth, and email address
declaration that the transferor (seller) has taken reasonable steps to verify that the transferee (buyer) is the holder of the licence that is the subject of the reference number request

The transferor (seller) will need to ensure that the transferee (buyer) who presents themselves for a transaction looks the same as the photograph on the firearms licence presented. This may be more difficult in the online environment.

The transferor (seller) may ask the buyer to engage in a video call or other means that would allow the transferor (seller) to have confidence that the persons presenting themselves as the transferee (buyer) and the licence the transferee (buyer) presents are the same. Alternatively, if a visual comparison is not possible, the transferor (seller) may ask the buyer to present a second photo ID that is issued at the federal, provincial, or municipal level.

If a reference number can be issued, both the transferor (seller) and the transferee (buyer) will receive a message in the portal message centre. In addition, the reference number and expiry date will appear on the screen moments after the completed request is submitted.

In the event a reference number cannot be issued, the transferor (seller) will be advised to have the transferee (buyer) contact the CFP to obtain more information. In addition, a message will be sent to both the transferor (seller) and transferee (buyer) through the portal message centre identifying that the reference number cannot be issued.
 
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Syxtus said:
The secondary id picture is not neceessary its something maybe SFRC has implemented into a sale, ive purchased a nr firearm after the 18th and all they needed was my pal info.
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The new law says you need to send a PAL pic and a secondary photo ID pic for non in person orders. In person you just need a PAL. If they didn’t ask for an online sale they are not in compliance and can be charged. C5BF6026-3EDE-490C-9749-1494938F5D22.jpg
 

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Paul_T said:
(2) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, keep the following information in respect of the transfer:
(a) the reference number issued by the Registrar;
(b) the day on which the reference number was issued;
(c) the transferee's licence number; and
(d) the firearm's make, model and type and, if any, its serial number.




Unless the PAL was physically seen by the seller (in person or via zoom or other similar) then they are required to get a copy of a secondary ID as well as the PAL - both sides of each.....

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/buying-and-selling-transferring-firearms



Online: The licence verification process can be initiated online by the transferor (seller) through the Individual Web Services or Business Web Services portals.

The transferor (seller) will be required to provide the following information:
the transferee's (buyer's) licence number, date of birth, and email address
declaration that the transferor (seller) has taken reasonable steps to verify that the transferee (buyer) is the holder of the licence that is the subject of the reference number request

The transferor (seller) will need to ensure that the transferee (buyer) who presents themselves for a transaction looks the same as the photograph on the firearms licence presented. This may be more difficult in the online environment.

The transferor (seller) may ask the buyer to engage in a video call or other means that would allow the transferor (seller) to have confidence that the persons presenting themselves as the transferee (buyer) and the licence the transferee (buyer) presents are the same. Alternatively, if a visual comparison is not possible, the transferor (seller) may ask the buyer to present a second photo ID that is issued at the federal, provincial, or municipal level.

If a reference number can be issued, both the transferor (seller) and the transferee (buyer) will receive a message in the portal message centre. In addition, the reference number and expiry date will appear on the screen moments after the completed request is submitted.

In the event a reference number cannot be issued, the transferor (seller) will be advised to have the transferee (buyer) contact the CFP to obtain more information. In addition, a message will be sent to both the transferor (seller) and transferee (buyer) through the portal message centre identifying that the reference number cannot be issued.
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That is correct but it does not say both sides of each.
 
commanderding said:
So just the PAL gets sent in for verification? The serials for the NR's are not sent in correct?
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PAL and a secondary piece of ID.

If it’s in person, just the PAL.

We then generate a reference number.

To get the reference number online we give them your PAL #, date of birth and email, nothing else.
 
I will delete posts as needed. This is a thread to tell people about our new policies with regards to C-71 and some discussion, not conspiracy theories.
 
commanderding said:
So just the PAL gets sent in for verification? The serials for the NR's are not sent in correct?
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D says the serial #

(2) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, keep the following information in respect of the transfer:
(a) the reference number issued by the Registrar;
(b) the day on which the reference number was issued;
(c) the transferee's licence number; and
(d) the firearm's make, model and type and, if any, its serial number.
 
So what you are saying is 57% of security breaches come from large businesses. Using US numbers, large businesses (those with 15 employees of more) only make up .1% of all businesses. That means that .1% of businesses (the large businesses) account for 57% of data breaches.




Flash said:
True. Yet 43% of breaches are against small businesses. Typically they have fewer cybersecurity defense resources, a fact of which criminals are aware.
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They asked what is provided to get a reference number. No gun info or serial number is provided online to get a ref number.

remington jim said:
D says the serial #

(2) The business must record and, for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, keep the following information in respect of the transfer:
(a) the reference number issued by the Registrar;
(b) the day on which the reference number was issued;
(c) the transferee's licence number; and
(d) the firearm's make, model and type and, if any, its serial number.
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