New optic needed...opinions wanted.

Easily 200, if not 300.

Now to be fair, I have not tried it that far, but I am confidend enough in the combo that I would not heasitate to shoot that far.

Your MMV

regards

AbH
 
Clobbersauras said:
Reduc and Cancuckle: Do you find your optics overly large? How is the 1x on both? Are you able to keep both eyes open?
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It is heavier than an ACOG for sure, but not really cumbersome. 1x is a true 1x on the TR24G (well, you get some slight 'distortion' under 5 yards, but anything past that has none). Two eyes open is no problem - looks exactly like an Aimpoint or EoTech!
 
With my Comp M4 I can hold an 8" gong at 200m sitting, kneeling and prone. The reticle seems easier to use than the elcan picket (on a perfectly round target), it just wants to hold center. I have not tried it at 300m however I have no doubt it will be good to minute of man.
 
Gunnerlove said:
With my Comp M4 I can hold an 8" gong at 200m sitting, kneeling and prone. The reticle seems easier to use than the elcan picket (on a perfectly round target), it just wants to hold center. I have not tried it at 300m however I have no doubt it will be good to minute of man.
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MR GL:

That is some fine shooting!!

Refresh my memroy, I have a comp M4 and I belive mine is a 2moa dot??

regards

AbH
 
On the DMS both eyes open yes absolutely. It's not overly large compared to a holosight and 3x magnifier....

See my other post in the 'optics' section for side by side pictures hehe....

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=438541

I don't compete yet in any multi gun or service rifle stuff so can't say what the pros/cons of this optic are for that use.

Because the DMS is an illuminated circle and a dot the whole BAC seems to work. (never tried it on a Trij)

The red DMS reticle completely washes out in bright backgrounds and snow. BUT it then just becomes black.

The problem I found with the Holosight/3x magnifier combination is that it puts the primary optic too far down the rail for where I personally felt comfortable using it.
What I ended up doing is moving the 3x back.... and that caused other issues. i.e. room for a BUIS.

Meh, maybe I just had the setup wrong.

I'm happier now. Even though the DMS is not technically a red dot.
 
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Hey buddie, go with an EOTech 511.A65, 65 MOA reticle with 1 MOA redt dot inside,not too much expensive and will do a great job on your TP9!!
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If you're having trouble aiming with the micro there are two things to try.

1. Turn down the setting a bit so the dot is finer.

2. Aim using the top of the dot.

There is no good reason a micro shouldn't be accurate enough for <200m shooting, just takes practice.
 
Rauch Tactical said:
If you're having trouble aiming with the micro there are two things to try.

1. Turn down the setting a bit so the dot is finer.

2. Aim using the top of the dot.

There is no good reason a micro shouldn't be accurate enough for <200m shooting, just takes practice.
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Pffft - I can put a round through a fleas a$$ at 200 meters.....:D

I didn't say I couldn't get hits with the micro, I'm saying that accuracy suffers. A 4 moa dot is a little large for the gongs we use at our range. I would rather take a dead on hold with my dot than have to aim over or under with it. I would much rather a 2MOA or 1 MOA dot.

I really liked the PKAS I had. It had an etched 1 MOA reticule plus a red dot for low light. The only down side was its height and weight.

Does anyone have any experience with the Leupold prismatic gun sight? I wonder if it's as robust as the Aimpoint? It has an etched reticle as well but I can'tfind any info on it's dot size.
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That being said, you guys almost have me convinced to buy another micro...
 
I think the Leupold has a 3moa dot, but I cant be sure of that.

from what I hear its built pretty tough, but you are getting the poor sides of a scope (set/limited eye relief, poor illumination, inability to co-witness iron sights) without any of its benefits (magnification), and at 1x, you don't have a parallax free optic, like you do with Aimpoints or EOTech's.

If you want to get a scope like that, then a 1-4 Nightforce or 1.5-5 Leupold would be better, since you are getting almost the same optical performance at 1x as the Prismatic, but you also get the ability to zoom into a target.


The ONLY benifit the prismatic has, is the etched retical, so it doesn't need batteries.
 
Big_Red said:
Which worlds are those, No Return to Zero World & Shifting Point of Impact World?
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come on just because its on an arms mount and will begin to wobble after awhile, no need to be so judgemental on it :D

I use to be skeptical about all the arms bashing till the arms mount on my Trijicon Reflect started to get loose abit...and its not even that old.
 
USP said:
come on just because its on an arms mount and will begin to wobble after awhile, no need to be so judgemental on it :D

I use to be skeptical about all the arms bashing till the arms mount on my Trijicon Reflect started to get loose abit...and its not even that old.
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The mount is the one thing that keeps me from buying one. It's a shame that the mount is so complex that no one else can make a proper aftermarket upgrade.
 
When I had a 1-4x scope on my 11.5" upper my best at 300 yards was a 7" group. Cheap 55gr ammo. Had the cheap scope in a Larue 1.93" QD mount and found it to be too much for a short AR. Went to a EOTec XPS2 and had a very fast set up for the close stuff. Took a little time to get use to it;) I do have a 3x mounted behind for when needed on a QD mount but how accurate do you really need to be with a short AR? Spend some $$$ on ammo and try the aim for just above the dot trick(might work for you?) Could always get a 16" match grade upper with a 1-10x March scope on it:p
 
The issues with the elcan go way beyond just the ARMS throw levers.

IOR had a short 1-4 power IR scope they were showing, I wonder what happened to it?
 
Rauch Tactical said:
The issues with the elcan go way beyond just the ARMS throw levers.

IOR had a short 1-4 power IR scope they were showing, I wonder what happened to it?
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I think Wolverine has the Pitbull in stock. I looked through one at he Brandon gun show - it was nice! Opinions I've read say that its good but the reticle can wash out in bight light (dot goes black). Some guys are using it for 3 gun in the USA and like it.

The glass is huge and clear like the Spectre DR, it has a true 1x, but theres no in between. You either get 1x or 4x. It's on the Valdada site and theres threads on other gun sites:

http://www.valdada.com/product/6928a7e3-e3bc-48d0-9e8a-4ac78862cd81.aspx
 
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