New Optics line development - Need your input

A quality Long Eye Relief scout scope would be a great offering. They're very few and far between, and with the amount of sks's, cz's, and Mosin's out there it would be a good seller. Savage, and Ruger scout owners would also be interested, I'm sure!

Currently the options are NC Star or Leupold, so there is a product gap between garbage, and extremely pricey.
 
I think at least one good quality tactical scope in FFP would be a seller. Like others have said, keep it MIL/MIL turrets....10 MIL per revolution...mildot reticle (not MIL line on FFP) to match ranging optics...side parallax....IR on FFP is nice...30mm tubes. I like the 5-25 x 50 range personally, but if you are only able to do one, the 4-14 is probably better for the majority. Basically a Falcon Menace in a higher end package without the price shock of NF or SB.

If it can hold zero and remain accurate throughout its range and not be $3500+ like an SB, I would be a buyer of at least two

Absolutely 100% agree with everything darkwing327 wrote here. I'd be fine for either 5-25, 3-15, or 4-14, I'd have use for any of those scopes.

A quality Long Eye Relief scout scope would be a great offering. They're very few and far between, and with the amount of sks's, cz's, and Mosin's out there it would be a good seller. Savage, and Ruger scout owners would also be interested, I'm sure! Currently the options are NC Star or Leupold, so there is a product gap between garbage, and extremely pricey.



Long eye relief: There's a gap in the market for a 1-x long eye relief scope. I'd love to be able to dial down the magnification on my Scout rifle and be able to keep both eyes open using it like a red dot, but dial it up when I want to.
 
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I am just back from Europe and have met with several potential suppliers.

One of these is a large optics maker. We would like to have them develop a new line of high quality optics at good prices.

I need your help in choosing 3 products to start the line.

I am partial to the Schmidt-Bender and IOR lines with the 30 and 35mm tubes.

I am thinking a 1-4x30mm, a 3.5x35mm and a 3-9x42mm

Let me know your thoughts on scopes, reticles, design features, etc.

An affordable option in First Focal Plane in milradians would be awesome. IE, 4 - 12 x 44 with 30mm tube
 
Decent quality fixed magnification optics at reasonable prices would be nice to see, eg, 4x30mm, 6x35mm, 10x42mm etc. I find that variable mag. adds weight and doesn't get used much but it seems like every manufacturer and their mother only makes variable magnification optics these days. Maybe I'm just alone in this preference I don't know... :p

Low profile capped turrets, simple ballistic reticles w/ range finding marks or mil-dot is my reticle preference.
 
Honestly, just copy the SWFA line. They've really managed to combine good value and design.
Super Sniper 10x, 30mm tube, mil-dot with mild rad turrets is their most popular one. It's better than the Bushnell because they remembered to put parallax adjustment.

Also, Nikon used to make a great tactical scope that they discontinued: the Monarch X.
2.5-10x44, 30mm tube, tactical turrets, mil dot, side focus parallax. This is about the sweet spot for most situations. Put some milrad turrets and good glass and this is about the perfect scope.
 
Take a look at what Vortex is doing. The new AMG should be your benchmark for a minimum quality standard, and their reticle is simply perfect for the market it was designed for, which is the exponentially growing PRS style. IMHO, here's a wish list of what I'd like to see, if you were to compete in this field.

Magnification; 5-27X allows for spotting mirage and longer range targets, with just enough FOV on the wide end for close engagements. Don't need <4X, or >28X.

Reticle; H59, EBR-3, MSR, H2CMR.

Turrets; Vortex Gen ii Razor HD owners will probably tell you these are the best, and I'll agree. S&B are fantastic, but in the hand, I'd rather have a Burris XTRii for their feel and easy readability. 0.1 mil clicks, revolution indicator, zero stop, keyless zero reset.

Glass; plenty of offerings; Voigtlander, B&L. IOR has a strong reputation for pristine glass in their Recon scope, Schott CCR48 Glass, I believe. This should be your minimum. See next comment.

Coatings; you should approach Voigtlander, who makes sublime camera optics, about being the glass/coatings supplier. I can't imagine having the glass from one of my Noxtilux lenses in a scope.... that would be like heaven.

Cant assist; the US Optics ER-25 has an optional internal level. I'd like to see an internal LED indicator, that illuminates the left or right horizontal cross hair, to show level. You should speak with STABILA about incorporating this tech into the scope Since you're already using a power supply for illumination, no reason you can't draw from it for a micro level.

Zoom. Think about an indexed Pull-turn-release self locking indexed ring, instead of a high friction ring, which often requires an auxiliary handle for leverage. This would permit a simple change in magnification, without the risk of losing your vertical or sight picture from excessive movement.

Paralax knob. Make this oversized slightly. Fine adjustment is key, and this is where you need it.

Eye relief. 3.5-4", but this is a personal preference.

Tube/lens: 34mm/50mm is a nice combination when top quality glass is used. You get more working space in the tube for mechanics, structure, and reticle diameter, and the smaller front element(50mm) lets that scope get right down on the barrel. With the new breed of action-in-chassis rifles, this is an important feature so you don't end up with a scope sitting 2" on centre above the barrel, especially when running a 20+moa base.

Mounts: The AADmount with internal tritium level is getting rave reviews, and the Cadex Defense Unified Ring system has great options in a light weight model. Combine the two and you have a winner.

Finish: Satin black cerakote, white turret markings, Top Dead Centre etched line marking to aid in alignment, and good caps provided.

Extra: Incorporate the Spuhr wedge levelling system.

Packaging: Ship it in a hard case. There are plenty of cost effective options that will pay dividends, especially when all the "unboxing" videos start getting released. If you watch a few that have thousands of views, you'll see how much emphasis is put on the packaging as a measure of value. It sucks to think like that, but is a simple truth that can't be ignored; people love nice packaging.
All told needed for correct installation, should be available at the point of purchase of the scope. Torque driver, alan keys, levelling devices, turret indexing wall chart, dope sheet templates for microsoft excel, etc.

Support: as much effort should go into customer support as should scope design. If a new buyer wants to set up his scope, he should be able to go to the website, and see concise tutorials, in clear, HD video, with links to technical manuals in PDF form.

Warranty: Lifetime no questions asked is the base these days, offered by Vortex, Athlon, Burris and others. Yours should be no different.

If you want to speak further, PM me and I'd love to discuss working with you on this project.
 
Take a look at what Vortex is doing. The new AMG should be your benchmark for a minimum quality standard, and their reticle is simply perfect for the market it was designed for, which is the exponentially growing PRS style. IMHO, here's a wish list of what I'd like to see, if you were to compete in this field.

Magnification; 5-27X allows for spotting mirage and longer range targets, with just enough FOV on the wide end for close engagements. Don't need <4X, or >28X.

Reticle; H59, EBR-3, MSR, H2CMR.

Turrets; Vortex Gen ii Razor HD owners will probably tell you these are the best, and I'll agree. S&B are fantastic, but in the hand, I'd rather have a Burris XTRii for their feel and easy readability. 0.1 mil clicks, revolution indicator, zero stop, keyless zero reset.

Glass; plenty of offerings; Voigtlander, B&L. IOR has a strong reputation for pristine glass in their Recon scope, Schott CCR48 Glass, I believe. This should be your minimum. See next comment.

Coatings; you should approach Voigtlander, who makes sublime camera optics, about being the glass/coatings supplier. I can't imagine having the glass from one of my Noxtilux lenses in a scope.... that would be like heaven.

Cant assist; the US Optics ER-25 has an optional internal level. I'd like to see an internal LED indicator, that illuminates the left or right horizontal cross hair, to show level. You should speak with STABILA about incorporating this tech into the scope Since you're already using a power supply for illumination, no reason you can't draw from it for a micro level.

Zoom. Think about an indexed Pull-turn-release self locking indexed ring, instead of a high friction ring, which often requires an auxiliary handle for leverage. This would permit a simple change in magnification, without the risk of losing your vertical or sight picture from excessive movement.

Paralax knob. Make this oversized slightly. Fine adjustment is key, and this is where you need it.

Eye relief. 3.5-4", but this is a personal preference.

Tube/lens: 34mm/50mm is a nice combination when top quality glass is used. You get more working space in the tube for mechanics, structure, and reticle diameter, and the smaller front element(50mm) lets that scope get right down on the barrel. With the new breed of action-in-chassis rifles, this is an important feature so you don't end up with a scope sitting 2" on centre above the barrel, especially when running a 20+moa base.

Mounts: The AADmount with internal tritium level is getting rave reviews, and the Cadex Defense Unified Ring system has great options in a light weight model. Combine the two and you have a winner.

Finish: Satin black cerakote, white turret markings, Top Dead Centre etched line marking to aid in alignment, and good caps provided.

Extra: Incorporate the Spuhr wedge levelling system.

Packaging: Ship it in a hard case. There are plenty of cost effective options that will pay dividends, especially when all the "unboxing" videos start getting released. If you watch a few that have thousands of views, you'll see how much emphasis is put on the packaging as a measure of value. It sucks to think like that, but is a simple truth that can't be ignored; people love nice packaging.
All told needed for correct installation, should be available at the point of purchase of the scope. Torque driver, alan keys, levelling devices, turret indexing wall chart, dope sheet templates for microsoft excel, etc.

Support: as much effort should go into customer support as should scope design. If a new buyer wants to set up his scope, he should be able to go to the website, and see concise tutorials, in clear, HD video, with links to technical manuals in PDF form.

Warranty: Lifetime no questions asked is the base these days, offered by Vortex, Athlon, Burris and others. Yours should be no different.

If you want to speak further, PM me and I'd love to discuss working with you on this project.

Holy Cow! Yah, what he said.
 
Something that is basically a Nightforce 2.5-10x32/42 with a MOAR reticle, except not 2000 dollars...
If its 2-10, even better.
Please keep it SFP, not FFP. The reticle becomes way too thin on the low-end. Its not like anybody is ranging out to 500 yards at 2 or 3 power...
We have more than enough 1-4 and 3-9 power options already.
 
There is not a lot of competition on the market for 6-24x50 (or similar specs) good quality tactical scope for competitive price that has reticle tuned with turrets, MOA may get more interest, not sure about the interest FFP vs. SFP as well reticle illumination. Good elevation adjustment range is also important. The only manufacturer that offers a scope in this category without breaking the bank is Vortex, the rest will break the bank.
 
Yes... Superchunk nailed it.
... also eye relief that stays true 4" at high magnification... I hate creeping up on my (2.5 - 10x, 300WM) scope at 10x and remembering the time(s) it bit me.
... overdue for an upgrade.
 
fixed 4, 3-9x40 and a 4-12x50 with paralax adjustment would be a starting point.

Besides quality glass, be darn sure that the turrets are easily accessible and do not need a tool to adjust. A really nice positive click would be desired.
 
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