New powders from Hodgdon...

[Andy]

Hodgdon can't keep their web site up with all the powders they have.
For example, they show Suprform powder as being well suited for 243 Winchester, but no listings for most others, including the 7-08, which uses powders similar to the 243.

Possibly the most satisfying element of the shooting sports for me is developing loads for diverse rounds using diverse powders, particularly "unpubished" loads, and so new powders intrigue me.

I've used Superformance in the 7X57 and found it useful for the 175 gr bullets. Its burn rate in the 7X57 is slightly faster than H4831 and Re22, so I suspect it would be the same in the 7mm-08.

 

[Metman2]

I'm all for new powders and will likely try a pound of each. It's nice to see more powders in the Retumbo Burn Rate Range, but boy has it ever become crowded in powders suitable for the 223 and 308. I have to wonder how long IMR4320 and H380 will last.

Each powder introduced likely means one or more powders will be dropped in years ahead - it's all about sales volume. When SR-4759 was dropped I stocked up - wish I had with H870 as well.

I'm still annoyed about SR4759 being discontinued. I have less and less of it & haven't found anything that really replaces it.

 

[Andy]

I'm still annoyed about SR4759 being discontinued. I have less and less of it & haven't found anything that really replaces it.

That's my go-to cast bullet powder. I have a life-time supply - made sure of that.

Hodgdon states that Trail Boss does everything SR-4759 does and more. That's hooey of course. Trail Boss is their "idiot-proof" powder for the careless and indolent IMO. I choose to be neither. Unique has always done all Trail Boss does, it's just not as bulky.

 

[H4831]

Possibly the most satisfying element of the shooting sports for me is developing loads for diverse rounds using diverse powders, particularly "unpubished" loads, and so new powders intrigue me.

I've used Superformance in the 7X57 and found it useful for the 175 gr bullets. Its burn rate in the 7X57 is slightly faster than H4831 and Re22, so I suspect it would be the same in the 7mm-08.

Thanks Andy, I have done such things in the past, also.
I once used up three pounds of Herter's 100 powder and I never had a Herter's loading chart for any of their powders. As a POI, I found it just a hair faster than IMR4350.
In the case of Suprform in the 7-08, I just thought a loading chart would save me some experimenting, thus some powder saved.
In the case of 130 grain bullet in the 7-08, Hodgon's show 47.3 grains of IMR4350 for a velocity of 2850, which is a pretty good speed, but I found in my Tikka that 49 grains gave 2800 fps, so about two grains more than they show should get about the correct velocity.
Actually, it appears that H414 will be a good powder for the 7-08 with 139 grain class of bullets. Their max load of 47 grains shows 2925 in their charts, but not too far off at just about 2850 in my rifle, so a bit more H414 will give a good load.

 

[Colin]

That's my go-to cast bullet powder. I have a life-time supply - made sure of that.

Hodgdon states that Trail Boss does everything SR-4759 does and more. That's hooey of course. Trail Boss is their "idiot-proof" powder for the careless and indolent IMO. I choose to be neither. Unique has always done all Trail Boss does, it's just not as bulky.

You don't have any loads for .455 or 38 S&W in trail-boss kicking around?

 

[LUTNIT]

Trail Boss produces quite a bit more pressure than most powders to produce the same velocity. I wouldn't use it in black powder cartridges personally.

 

[krprice84]

you guys don't like those evil pipelines

Pipelines are lovely, beautiful devices. Just like our guns - except the pipelines make money, the guns just cost us money But both have things pushed through them, both are round tubes. I guess a pipeline is more like a shotgun though - no rifling in the pipeline

But my goodness, how can someone not like pipelines?!?!?!? Oh wait, they hugged too many trees...

 

[krprice84]

I do! Is there a cure

Not a cure, but a treatment: once you buy the gun for the cartridge you got excited about, it generally cures the immediate symptoms. The problem is, the disease still lingers (like AIDS) and cannot be cured, you simply must continue to take medicine (buying more guns) to ward off the symptoms.

I'm going to crawl back in my little hole now

 

[krprice84]

You don't have any loads for .455 or 38 S&W in trail-boss kicking around?

Trail boss is easy to load for - I've loaded it for .455 webley myself.

all you do is determine how far into the case the bullet will go, fill the powder up to that level and weigh it, then reduce by 30% and that's your starting load (i think, check the trail boss website, it tells you exactly what to do - just search hodgdon's trail boss paper or something similar.

very easy to load for, but i didn't like it. bullseye or unique for my webley (which, sadly, is being traded away tomorrow )

 

[krprice84]

Trail Boss produces quite a bit more pressure than most powders to produce the same velocity. I wouldn't use it in black powder cartridges personally.

It was designed for reduced loads... your post doesn't make sense as far as I know.

The guideline is as I posted just above this post - you can use it in damn near anything, they claim. for BP pistol rounds it doesn't seem to provide reduced velocity (not in my experience) and i've had no problems with pressure signs of any sort, my brass was perfect. i just didn't like how bulky it was and how you only get 9 ounces in a one pound jar

 

[donor]

There some applications I like Trail Boss for but shotgun powders of Red Dot,Green Dot burn rate are much more to my taste(I'm cast bullet shooter).

Of course whole line of Clays powders is absent in both LeBaron in GTA for long time.Go figure.

Point:

I don't need more new powders-I need reliable and cheaper supply of existing powders.

 

[Colin]

Trail boss is easy to load for - I've loaded it for .455 webley myself.

all you do is determine how far into the case the bullet will go, fill the powder up to that level and weigh it, then reduce by 30% and that's your starting load (i think, check the trail boss website, it tells you exactly what to do - just search hodgdon's trail boss paper or something similar.

very easy to load for, but i didn't like it. bullseye or unique for my webley (which, sadly, is being traded away tomorrow )

thanks

 

[LUTNIT]

It was designed for reduced loads... your post doesn't make sense as far as I know.

The guideline is as I posted just above this post - you can use it in damn near anything, they claim. for BP pistol rounds it doesn't seem to provide reduced velocity (not in my experience) and i've had no problems with pressure signs of any sort, my brass was perfect. i just didn't like how bulky it was and how you only get 9 ounces in a one pound jar

The information is all available online for anyone to look up. Trail Boss produces lower velocities with higher pressures than most other powders. I'm not talking about comparing it to modern, 3000fps, 50,000 psi loads. I'm talking about comparing loads that are under 1300fps. You can compare load data with other powders on the Hodgdon site or any loading manual.

 

[krprice84]

My understanding is the powder does give enough pressure to operate a gas gun but with small pistol loads it does not produce dangerous pressure. I loaded 455 Webley for a Belgian RIC pattern revolver and never saw even the slightest pressure sign or any signal of increased pressure on the brass even after a number of loads. If the pressure is elevated I would suggest it is meaningless when it comes to old small pistols. I saw more pressure signs at the same approx velocity (measured with a cheap shooting crony) with bullseye.

 

[Colin]

Trail boss is easy to load for - I've loaded it for .455 webley myself.

all you do is determine how far into the case the bullet will go, fill the powder up to that level and weigh it, then reduce by 30% and that's your starting load (i think, check the trail boss website, it tells you exactly what to do - just search hodgdon's trail boss paper or something similar.

very easy to load for, but i didn't like it. bullseye or unique for my webley (which, sadly, is being traded away tomorrow )

With the 265gr lead RNHB bullet I have enough room for 2.6grs in the short case, with 30% off that is around 1.82grs, sounds about right?

 

[Colin]

Here is .44 Russian

Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam .C.O.L. start Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Max Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure


IMR Trail Boss .430" 1.245" 3.0 grs 647 7,900 CUP 3.9 747 10,400

 

[krprice84]

With the 265gr lead RNHB bullet I have enough room for 2.6grs in the short case, with 30% off that is around 1.82grs, sounds about right?

No I don't think so, that seems to me that you are seating too far in. I am nut at home but I can look later to see what my charges were. I seem ti remember over 3 grains. That was with 265 grain bullets

 

[saskcop]

These powders are going to be like all powders these days - non existent.

 

[cycbb486]

Accurate LT-32 and 2015 are made by General Dynamics in Valleyfield, Quebec. Actually the new 2015 is the LT-32 that does not make the tight burn rate tolerances for LT.......

Love the stuff, both of it.

 

[kombayotch]

Well, you won't be running IMR4166 through the progressive.

I was hoping for kernels the size of the ones in Benchmark or H322...