new production gun for me... back to basics

hal1955 said:
What about Mr. Sevigny?
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Find me an equally skilled shooter to Dave Sevigny who's using a tricked out gun. Adam Tyc comes to mind, but they don't shoot enough matches in common to make any kind of judgement on who's actually better and who can beat who.

Rob Leatham used to go to L10 matches and stomp on them with a single stack .45 long slide. He's just a shooter so far ahead of the curve that normal rules don't apply to him.
 
and if you think Dave S. is using a stock Glock I've got a bridge to sell you. His guns are worked on as much as is legal in the division.
 
relliott said:
Hmm, I think what Omen might be trying to say (and I could be wrong)is that you can be pretty competitive and get out and enjoy yourself at matches with stock equipment...so long as you choose the right stock equipment for YOU. Doesn't mean you will necessarily win; but you can do pretty well.

Of course if you want to win consistently then everything has to be dialed in; correct equipment that is properly tuned and modded to the individuals needs, correct technique, mindset, hydration, nutrition, etc. I think that the gun Omen chose is actually a pretty decent machine right out of the box, and happens to suit his style of shooting very well. Basically a CZ pattern gun with good weight distribution and a pretty decent trigger and sights.

All things being equal, top shooters with similar skill sets should always place fairly close to each other in competition, but the ones who bring the better overall "package" to the table are probably going to win more consistently.
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this gun looks very much like a Tanfoglio,..I would bet Tanfoglio makes the frames or something for D.E.:wave:
 
Dragoon said:
Baby Eagles are indeed manufactured and 98% assembled by Tanfoglio. I've been to the factory and seen it with my own eyes.
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+1 - Massimo Tanfoglio personally told me he builds them for IMI.

And...

Slavex said:
and if you think Dave S. is using a stock Glock I've got a bridge to sell you. His guns are worked on as much as is legal in the division.
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+1 again - all the big guys take every "legal" ;) advantage they can get.
 
relliott said:
Hmm, I think what Omen might be trying to say (and I could be wrong)is that [...]
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Nah, give it up, Rob, it's no use, people will just read whatever they want into anything's that's said, in accordance with their thoughts/etc about what's being said or who's saying it :)

It's funny, in a way... All I was saying was it's was very much possible to have fun, and do well, in production, using something other than a tricked up race gun. It seems most people do not believe that, judging by the number of "hey, you're full of ####" replies I see :)

ohh, well. I was trying to convey a positive, hopeful msg to new and prospective prod shooters, who might be worried about getting into an expensive division, I'm glad there are so many existing shooters out here who think that's incorrect, and that's not the msg we should be sending out. :confused:
 
Well, I just started this year. I chose the G17, for various reasons, ease of use etc., etc.. I am going to flog every last inch out of that gun before I switch. And when I do switch, it'll probably be to a CZ, or Tanfo, then everyone should watch out:eek:. Cause I have been shooting such a piece of crap for so long, I should do well with a real gun. LOL:D
 
New ipsc shooter here too, started off with a G17 (fired 4K's with it) and recently switched for a Sp01 Shadow. Paid 800$ for the Sp-01 and had paid 800$ for the Glock 2 years ago.

I have to be honest, its so much easier to get those upper pannel A's now with the Shadow. With the G17 I was struggling for those quick precision shots, thanks to the mushy trigger.
Some have tremendous success with these, like pablo corrales in QC.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. Would put my life on the glock, but would bring the Shadow to punch some paper :)
 
Omen

Appears there are a lot of Rob Leatham wannabees on this thread. For most of us B and C class shooters it is all about having a good time chasing paper as fast or slow as we can go. Sure you can spend and spend to get "THE" gun but you can also have fun and shoot well at your skill level with Glocks, M&P's and Tanfoglios - yes they make $700 guns too.

If there are folks out there who think there existing shooter won't do in IPSC and don't participate because of that then they are missing out on a great sport and a chance to beat the pants off of another "C" shooter. Hell with the way my back is right now you need a time clock not a timer to time me on any stage that requires a kneeling position but I can still enjoy shooting IPSC Production and a tricked out shooter isn't going let me beat Slavex in this game.

Your point is well taken and is correct for most of the shooters I see at club matchs.

Take Care

Bob
 
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New shooter here as well. I actually took my BB last weekend. I have been watching IPSC since I was a little kid. It always amazes me that people think they need a tricked out gun to compete. I bought a M&P9 and am shooting quite well with it. A's come easy with minimal aiming. The most inmportant thing I have though is a gun that goes bang every time I pull the trigger. I have been watching STI, INFINTY, SVI, HK, even CZ's have failures. I have even seen Glock's get jams so bad they could not finish. I really like the thought's of competing with stock guns. I would hate to get beat by a gun!!

In my BB course I seen several if not most of the people shooting guns they were not even familiar with:eek:

I totally get what your saying Omen. I think alot of people don't get involved because they see $4000 race guns and think they need one to compete.

I have a M&P9, CR belt and 4 CR mag pouches and 6 mags paid just barely over $1000 for the lot.
 
maka said:
I have been watching STI, INFINTY, SVI, HK, even CZ's have failures. I have even seen Glock's get jams so bad they could not finish. I really like the thought's of competing with stock guns. I would hate to get beat by a gun!!

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The majority of "failures" are usually caused by mags or ammo...not guns.

However, guns are mechanical devices and as such are prone to failure...no matter how much or how little you spend on them.

If you see someone showing up at a match or a BB course, with equipment that doesn't work...there's only one thing that failed (the thing between their ears) :cool:
 
Quigley said:
The majority of "failures" are usually caused by mags or ammo...not guns.

However, guns are mechanical devices and as such are prone to failure...no matter how much or how little you spend on them.

If you see someone showing up at a match or a BB course, with equipment that doesn't work...there's only one thing that failed (the thing between their ears) :cool:
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Yeah, I'm with Quigley on this but I would offer a slight "focus" adjustment. We've all known people who would buy a new car and drive it for three years without doing an oil change or any maintenance at all, and then blame the car when the engine seizes. IPSC shooting puts guns through paces that most sporting or duty guns would never have to go through, so maintenance issues; proactive as well as reactive, are going to be that much more important. Most of the failures that I've seen...including my own...can be traced back to an operator error of some sort.
 
I believe a couple of you folks have gone off the target here.

maka said:
The most important thing I have though is a gun that goes bang every time I pull the trigger. I have been watching STI, INFINTY, SVI, HK, even CZ's have failures. I have even seen Glock's get jams so bad they could not finish. I really like the thought's of competing with stock guns. I would hate to get beat by a gun!!
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The discussion is not with regard to a reliable gun; all major factory guns are reliable if the operator does his part.
No unreliable gun will win anything at a real IPSC match. Period.

Canuck44 said:
Appears there are a lot of Rob Leatham wannabees on this thread. For most of us B and C class shooters it is all about having a good time chasing paper as fast or slow as we can go. Sure you can spend and spend to get "THE" gun but you can also have fun and shoot well at your skill level with Glocks, M&P's and Tanfoglios - yes they make $700 guns too.
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The discussion is also not as to whether you can take any gun and join the sport and have fun. You sure can!!

The can of worms Omen re-opened <insert beating dead horse symbol here> is with regards to whether a shooter will compete better with a better gun.

I say emphatically YES - HE WILL.
The same shooter with a Tanfoglio Stock II or Hobdelled CZ SP-01 will score better immediately than with a box stock Glock 17.
The same shooter with an STI Edge or SVI Infinity will immediately score better than the same guy with a box stock Para 16-40.

Prove to me otherwise.
 
I have to agree with the above.

The difference between the SP01 Shadow and a Stock CZ75B is night and day.

Weaker mainspring, weaker recoil spring, Competition sights, competition hammer,no firing pin block.

I added all but the hammer to my 75b but the trigger will never be as nice as it has the firing pin block.
 
BTW,..I have not seen this gun up close,.but I saw the review in a magazine,...and the slide was upside down,..Showing some of the internals.

It looks remarkably like a Tanfoglio,...right down to the fpb,...the slide release looks like a thumb rest. The guide rod looks plastic like a CZ,...? But other internal parts like the trigger bar/ buffer and trigger all look to be Tanfoglio. I am almost tempted to pick one up as a pistol for my son so he stops using my stock2.
 
"I say emphatically YES - HE WILL.
The same shooter with a Tanfoglio Stock II or Hobdelled CZ SP-01 will score better immediately than with a box stock Glock 17.
The same shooter with an STI Edge or SVI Infinity will immediately score better than the same guy with a box stock Para 16-40. "

Agreed!

Take Care

Bob
 
maurice said:
BTW,..I have not seen this gun up close,.but I saw the review in a magazine,...and the slide was upside down,..Showing some of the internals.
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Remind me, I'll bring one to the next match you attend to paw. They're quite heavy...

It looks remarkably like a Tanfoglio,...right down to the fpb,...the slide release looks like a thumb rest. The guide rod looks plastic like a CZ,...? But other internal parts like the trigger bar/ buffer and trigger all look to be Tanfoglio..
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That's because it is! Tanfoglio has always made the Baby Eagles, Jerichos and Uzi Eagles - dunno how they wind up with "made in israel" on them, but Massimo Tanfoglio has told me he makes them and Mass here has seen them in the factory when on tour in Italy. If you look hard enough, you'll even find articles on the internet.
 
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