New Rem VTR: What's the advantage of the 3 sided barrel?

The shape may dissipate heat better, but that muzzle break looks like a real POS, and the machining at the crown looks down right crude.
 
Sorry fellas

but I could never see myself trading my Rem 700's UP for a Savage............................;):p

I will stick with paying a gunsmith and having the availablity of the best aftermarket parts in the world................ even at a price................:p
 
2bad4u2 said:
If no one cared what it looked like on the outside then what would be the point in them doing this? I seriously hope you don't think Remington was concerned with long range accuracy when they designed this, do you?
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"...the new Model 700™ Varmint-Tactical Rifle (VTR™) is a revolutionary system optimized for extended-range precision and mobility."
 
cycbb486 said:
but I could never see myself trading my Rem 700's UP for a Savage............................;):p

I will stick with paying a gunsmith and having the availablity of the best aftermarket parts in the world................ even at a price................:p
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Sounds like Remington is the 10/22 of the center fire world.
 
Well i am not going to say that I dont think it is a marketing ploy, but it should theroretically reduce helical barrel whip. Hence the claim of increased rigidity.
 
2fat2fly said:
The shape may dissipate heat better, but that muzzle break looks like a real POS, and the machining at the crown looks down right crude.
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bigmatty said:
looks like more surface area for better cooling, other than that who knows...
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I would like to address the above two suggestions:

While this may seem the case, this is not the intent. Traditionally, proper fluting of a heavy barrel is done for the purpose of lightening the weight of a barrel while allowing for much of the gains of a heavy barrel (temperature stablisation, harmonics etc). Traditional fluting does offer more surface area with concave scalloping and hence more surface area to dissipate to air.

In this case, straight slabs are cut from the barrel. In fact the surface area is decreased. The barrel may still in fact provide benefits of lighter weight but decreases surface area and metal for temperature control.

Without knowing the exact dimensions, take for example the following:

eg: A circular form with a radius r = 2 units
Circumference is therefore 2(pi)r = ~12.566 units

For simplicity sake, we'll divide the circle into 6 equal units.
Therefore the length of each unit's arc is also equal to ~2.0943 units

You may notice that by dividing the circle into 6 equal parts, you can make 6 equilateral triangles and therefore all sides = r = 2 units

Where the circle circumference is = 12.566 units,

Cutting 3 arcs from the circle leaving 2 unit length 'slab straight sides' leaves a circumference of 12.283 units.

[ New circumference of irregular = 12.566 - 3(2.0943) + 3(2) = 12.283 units]

(Equal 'pies' were used for simplicity of demonstration, you can make whatever pies you want but the straigh slab will always be less than the length of the natural arc)

So....

Winz said:
Looks cool but the barrel profile and muzzle brake are made as such to save production costs (rather than traditional fluting).
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ie They went cheap.
 
I'm sort of glad I read this string.

Lot's of theory here and informed comments. Has anyone tried one?

I was planning to buy one just now actually but after reading all the above will reconsider.

Perhaps some suggestions? Here's my requirements;

- new as in not used
- .223 Rem
- fast(ish) rate of twist
-bolt action
- economical

I will use this mostly for off hand target shooting (BRRC Wednesday nights) but also for some coyote hunting this winter.

I will be selling my Tikka T3 Stainless Varmint to buy this. If anyone one wants my opinions of that rifle let me know. It certainly has some really good points and one weakness.
 
I really like mine, I have it in 308 very tight groups at 220 yards all shots kept within the plam of a hand, recoil is fairly light for a 308 but I really like the trigger pull, I would recomend. Heres mine with a Luepold 3-9 scope.
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Winz said:
I would like to address the above two suggestions:

While this may seem the case, this is not the intent. Traditionally, proper fluting of a heavy barrel is done for the purpose of lightening the weight of a barrel while allowing for much of the gains of a heavy barrel (temperature stablisation, harmonics etc). Traditional fluting does offer more surface area with concave scalloping and hence more surface area to dissipate to air.

In this case, straight slabs are cut from the barrel. In fact the surface area is decreased. The barrel may still in fact provide benefits of lighter weight but decreases surface area and metal for temperature control.

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I agree with you for the most part on this. Physics states that for every action there is proportional reaction.
More surface area does increase cooling, but the fluted part of the barrel will get hot faster than the non fluted area, which will create uneven heat distribution. How this ever was felt to improve accuracy has always eluded me.
Harmonics on a round barrel are easy to predict , the barrel will be "whipped" in concentric circles in the same direction as the rifling is installed in.
This triangular nonesense eludes me totally, how can a barrel create triangular harmonics, at least up to the shank, which is round to be threaded into the action.

I am assuming that Remingtons barrel maker, they do not make their own, uses round bar stock to drill and rifle, the mills off the 3 sides. Anyone who has worked in steel knows what happens when you mill off 1 side of bar stock, it warps.
How they can get a concentric chamber and crown is a mystery as well, assuming that Remington has the barrels made, then fits them to actions as is traditionally done.

I have not seen 1 of these rifles up close, but wonder if the rifling is kept behind the slots cut into the barrel? If not how do they keep the rifling from being damaged by cutting said slots? If the rifling stops before the slots how can the crown this other than by a reamer, and hope for no chatter marks?

Personally I think this is just another manner for Remington to prey on the guys who don't know better. You can bet the gun "rags" that advertise alot for Remington will claim these are the best thing since ###:eek:
 
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