New Remington to be announced at SHOT Show...

The major problem with Remington right now is quality control. Marlin's are going the same way. Hopefully Freedom Group cleans house & things get back to normal. On a side note: Take a look at some of the shate Mossberg & Rossi have come out with as of late... Mental health is an issue at more than one plant.
 
Meh... Either way....

When I go for a walk in the woods the rifle's most often on my shoulder were built around 70+ yrs ago...

When I'm spending a day at the range shooting 300+ then it's the rifles I have spent the most customizing....

When I hunt then it's a mix of all of the above and then some...

Every rifle has a use even if its just a donor action.
 
An accurate, reliable hunting rifle for in around the 450.00 to 650.00 mark is IMHO, the way to go....I just couldn't see myself abusing a 3000.00 + dollar rifle on a bush hunting trip. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with taking a Primium grade rifle hunting, just saying I'd feel pretty bad if I dinged it up.
 
An accurate, reliable hunting rifle for in around the 450.00 to 650.00 mark is IMHO, the way to go....I just couldn't see myself abusing a 3000.00 + dollar rifle on a bush hunting trip. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with taking a Primium grade rifle hunting, just saying I'd feel pretty bad if I dinged it up.

I always hum and haw over that, I like pretty guns but like hunting with beaters. One day I'd like to walk Africa with a nice hand made European double, but that's a 6/49 away for me.
 
I am having quite the chuckle seeing Rem try an invent a NEW Savage Axis with Accutrigger. All for more money.

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Luckily, it still shoots like a Rem. Sorry, had to add that in :)

For those that have lumped the ruger American as just another budget plastic fantastic, I wonder if they have actually handled one? I have one and I must say, I am impressed. I am surprised at the level of refinement and function this rifle offers out of the box. I will be testing it soon and if it shoots like it looks, feels and function, ALL the other plastic fantastic rifles better up their game.

Does this Rem also use a floating bolt head?

Jerry
 
While accuracy is certainly an important attribute in a firearm, to my mind so is quality of materials, manufacturing and pride of ownership. Three qualities of which guns like the 783 do not possess.

Being involved in building custom high end hunting and competition rifles, this may seem like an odd comment but I am actually very impressed with what manf are now doing for the price point.

rifles like the Ruger American work surprisingly well. Fit, function and quality of build is actually on par or better then many old school factory rifles. And yes, I have had the joy of working on the new SPS rifles so don't go there.

With the recent Crash Testing of an Axis, I am surprised at how robust the rifle is. From the plastic stocks to the matte bluing, from the trigger, bolt and safety, this rifle survived far rougher treatment then any hunter is likely to go through unless the rifle is abused or toss off the side of a cliff.

Accuracy is definitely part of the bundle and they can also offer function, decent finish, and good ergonomics. Sure a bit of TLC is needed but you tell me how many gunsmiths have made a career out of fixing Rems?.

They sell thousands of these because consumers simply want results and these rifle deliver at a price point simply too low to ignore.

fleure de lis checkering, lacqured figured walnut, high gloss bluing do NOTHING to actually make the rifle do its job better. Look good, absolutely but is this the bling you want when it is pouring rain or snowing hard or you slipped and the rifle is now bouncing down a hill?

So, I would say manf today ARE giving the consumer a much better deal in materials, manufacturing and at a price many more consumers can now AFFORD the pride of ownership.

There was a time where you paid nearly a months salary to get a rifle with a 1.5 MOA guarantee. Today, consumers complain when a rifle costing 1 days wage doesn't shoot sub MOA with factory ammo.

We are getting a whole lot more for our hard earned dollars today.

Then take some of these entry level rifles, add a bit of TLC and better parts, and they will happily keep up with rifles costing many times more. That takes good solid engineering and that never gets old.

Jerry
 
I'm a little puzzled at your comments considering that the Savage/Stevens action is one that has had its roots dating back to the 1950's. Savage isn't exactly on the cutting edge with their near 70 year old design either. lol

Yes, but everyone else is dating back to Mr. Mauser circa mid 1800's.

The industry is finally catching up :)

Jerry
 
This is just a happy or lucky quirk of engineering where steps used to make a product faster, easier and cheaper lead to a better performing product.

All the once quirky steps used to make a Savage wasn't done with "accuracy" in mind. Just speed up getting that rifle into a box and out the door. Take that process, modern tooling and suddenly you can pump out product at rates unheard of before.

The fact that you can end up with superbly shooting rifles is one of those "free lunches" we so rarely get.

I have heard reports that it takes about 6 to 10mins to assemble a Savage rifle (why some need TLC to get the fit and function perfect). How can any manf even come close to keeping up with that cost level if they need to chuck a barrel in a lathe and machine final headspace?

The prechambered and threaded barrels can be manf to far more exacting tolerances on a much larger and faster scale. The barrel nut, floating bolt heads, CNC receivers (which all seem to look distinctively the same), injection molded stocks (which again sure look similar), cast parts, simplified parts count and assembly can actually be manf to better tolerances and in some cases, fit.

Dirt cheap retail pricing and ALL levels of supply are making money. Huge surge in popularity and sales. All good for an industry. Like them or not, these plastic fantastic rifles are going to bring back some fat to the bottom lines of companies. Maybe this trend is here to stay or maybe it just gets us over these tough times. But if we have healthy companies and a growing population of users, the market for high end fancy toys WILL come back.

All good things...

Jerry
 
For an affordable hunting rifle there is one called T/C Venture.Priced about the same as the 783,Ruger American etc...This is an accurate gun and smells quality...

I don't know why there is no reviews Here on CGN???
 
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