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New rifles delivered for Canadian Forces sniper teams

Author of the article: David Pugliese

Ottawa Citizen

Publishing date:Dec 09, 2020 • Last Updated 18 hours ago • 1 minute read

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The C20 semi-automatic sniper rifle is shown undergoing testing earlier this year. PHOTO BY CANADIAN ARMY PHOTO /Postmedia

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New semi-automatic weapons for sniper teams have been delivered to the Canadian Forces and testing has begun on the rifles.

“The initial delivery for the new C20 7.62 mm Semi-Automatic Sniper Weapons occurred in November as planned,” Department of National Defence spokeswoman Andrée-Anne Poulin confirmed to this newspaper. “With the delivery of these first systems, we began the training activities for the weapons technicians and snipers as well as the final technical testing which will be completed by the end of this month.”

The remaining C20 deliveries will commence and be completed in the new year, she added.

The rifles were manufactured by Colt Canada and will be used by sniper teams as an auxiliary weapon.

The 272 rifles and spare parts will cost $8.5 million.

The federal government initially awarded a $2-million contract to Colt Canada in Kitchener on February 28 to establish the production line to produce the C20 weapon. That contract also included an initial delivery of 10 of the C20 rifles. That early production run was to ensure Colt had the technical proficiency to deliver the new weapon, added Poulin.

The federal government then awarded a $6.5-million contract to Colt Canada on April 17 to produce 262 additional C20 rifles, associated equipment and spare parts. (Image below courtesy of Colt Canada).

DND didn’t have a per-unit cost for the new C20 rifles.

But critics point out that each rifle is costing taxpayers more than $24,000 each. Some small arms industry representatives have questioned why the Canadian Forces didn’t purchase the SIG 716G2 rifle which is being used by Canadian special forces.

DND officials acknowledge that taxpayers are paying a premium to have the guns manufactured in Canada under what is called the Munitions Supply Program, which sees such work directed to Colt Canada.


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A little breath of life for Colt Canada and of course for our snipers. I've used a different photo than the one referred to in the text.


New rifles delivered for Canadian Forces sniper teams

Author of the article: David Pugliese

Ottawa Citizen

Publishing date:Dec 09, 2020 • Last Updated 18 hours ago • 1 minute read

c20-rs.png


The C20 semi-automatic sniper rifle is shown undergoing testing earlier this year. PHOTO BY CANADIAN ARMY PHOTO /Postmedia

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New semi-automatic weapons for sniper teams have been delivered to the Canadian Forces and testing has begun on the rifles.

“The initial delivery for the new C20 7.62 mm Semi-Automatic Sniper Weapons occurred in November as planned,” Department of National Defence spokeswoman Andrée-Anne Poulin confirmed to this newspaper. “With the delivery of these first systems, we began the training activities for the weapons technicians and snipers as well as the final technical testing which will be completed by the end of this month.”

The remaining C20 deliveries will commence and be completed in the new year, she added.

The rifles were manufactured by Colt Canada and will be used by sniper teams as an auxiliary weapon.

The 272 rifles and spare parts will cost $8.5 million.

The federal government initially awarded a $2-million contract to Colt Canada in Kitchener on February 28 to establish the production line to produce the C20 weapon. That contract also included an initial delivery of 10 of the C20 rifles. That early production run was to ensure Colt had the technical proficiency to deliver the new weapon, added Poulin.

The federal government then awarded a $6.5-million contract to Colt Canada on April 17 to produce 262 additional C20 rifles, associated equipment and spare parts. (Image below courtesy of Colt Canada).

DND didn’t have a per-unit cost for the new C20 rifles.

But critics point out that each rifle is costing taxpayers more than $24,000 each. Some small arms industry representatives have questioned why the Canadian Forces didn’t purchase the SIG 716G2 rifle which is being used by Canadian special forces.

DND officials acknowledge that taxpayers are paying a premium to have the guns manufactured in Canada under what is called the Munitions Supply Program, which sees such work directed to Colt Canada.


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$24K for an AR10!?...wtf are there made of?? And since when did a semi become the accuracy tool of choice for a "sniper"!?...me thinks someone's getting paid!
 
That price will include magazines, replacement parts etc...

Still.....$24K each! Hell that beauty that the rangers got was only $7K a kit. I've fondled and fired one of those a few times. They are nice And all but still not worth that kind of money so I cant imagine how these ones can be more then 3 times their cost? Astounding.
And again, a semi in Canada...winter hates semi's.
 
$24K for an AR10!?...wtf are there made of?? And since when did a semi become the accuracy tool of choice for a "sniper"!?...me thinks someone's getting paid!

There will likely be days when things are too warm and close to be working the bolt on a Timberwolf, and having to choose between bringing it or a C7 to the party is a pretty wide gap, one into which the choice of an AR-10 fits.
 
People always get hung up in the price....

Pretty simple really, we are paying for a lot more than the unit price per gun.

Years of support, spare parts, training for armourers, required spec changes, etc.
 
There will likely be days when things are too warm and close to be working the bolt on a Timberwolf, and having to choose between bringing it or a C7 to the party is a pretty wide gap, one into which the choice of an AR-10 fits.

I suppose so....and I guess that for $24 a kit, that particular semi can be made to be hella accurate? But are these actually being made/forged etc in Canada or just assembled with parts made elsewhere?
 
That price will include magazines, replacement parts etc...

You forgot the payoffs, hookers, Vegas trips, etc, etc, etc, etc...…………………….and we have a defence minister that served in the armed forces! What a fvcken load of dog sh*t this is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
$24K for an AR10!?...wtf are there made of?? And since when did a semi become the accuracy tool of choice for a "sniper"!?...me thinks someone's getting paid!

Actually, it was a bit hard to decide what forum this should go into, but I settled on the fact that there are indeed precision weapons, for semi-autos. And they're for use by snipers, under present day battle conditions obviously mostly intended as an intermediate range defense weapon.
 
At least we're spending money on the military. I just hope some of the actual end users of the rifle were involved in selecting it.
 
Should of just stuck with the Timberwolf, or the Coyote. Already in service, more accurate, more reliable, proven in service, and not a waste of money when we are already bleeding it out during these times. My 2c...

What was it again?
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"?
 
The costs seen in the OP include the legal rights to make the rifle, so they would initially be high but will come down with every new rifle made. Call it an investment. And if it's like Colt Canada's experience with their C7s and C8s, we could even end up selling our C20 version to other militaries.
 
Let me start by saying, " I'm not a big fan of GOV ownership" but if they are going to continue to "sole source" Colt Canada, then just buy the company. Get all the rights and assets from Colt USA, so if they go bankrupt they can't pillage Colt Canada. Expand the facility and do some hiring, good pay and benefits and start making "other stuff" with taxpayers money.
 
Should of just stuck with the Timberwolf, or the Coyote. Already in service, more accurate, more reliable, proven in service, and not a waste of money when we are already bleeding it out during these times. My 2c...

What was it again?
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

Our Forces don't use the Coyote. And they are keeping the Timberwolf.

The new C20 will fill a Designated Marksmen role instead of an actual "sniper" role, a sort of between your C7 and Timberwolf category. There were a dozen or so C7CT models made but that was still only in 5.56. Canada doesn't have a full DMR rifle yet.
 
Why didn't they just get the boys at ATRS to build them up some Modern Hunters. I'm pretty sure they could have managed 300 rifles - it's not like they need a company that can produce tens of thousands. And I'm pretty sure Rick would have given them a decent deal.
 
Why didn't they just get the boys at ATRS to build them up some Modern Hunters. I'm pretty sure they could have managed 300 rifles - it's not like they need a company that can produce tens of thousands. And I'm pretty sure Rick would have given them a decent deal.

ATRS = Western Canadian business
 
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