New - Ruger Hawkeye vs Model 70

blakeyboy said:
I know this guy named Henry Rempel that would get the x39 project for the new barrel, bedding, trigger. He's only half hour drive away for me. ;)

Sounds like the new Hawkeye wouldn't need his attention at all, well maybe to bring that trigger down to a crisp 3.0 but that's about it maybe. I'd want to shoot it before doing anything other than tuning up the trigger which I hear runs 3.5 to 4.5 with a bit of creep.
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Mighta heard of that fella!

Overall, a bit of variability in em. Some have been great, some have been rough but on the whole I like them.

They're all better than a Win 70 open trigger. Those clean up well too, though lol.

Cool thing for the MkII rifles at least they fit in those nice, slim Hawkeye stocks.
 
Thinking on it now...people saying the new triggers less reliable with no data on that at all isnt annoying? Lol

But people saying a stock 70 open trigger sucks til its adjusted (at least its oh so easy...unless you need to stone it too) is frustrating.

Ok lol
 
pathfinder76 said:
How exactly do you know this? Stuff like this frustrates me.
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How is the winchester open trigger design better or worse than the Ruger MKII/Hawkeye open trigger design?
Genuinely interested to learn what you know as I have never messed with a pre-64 model 70 trigger.
No real need to be frustrated, some of us plebes need our hand held and walked down the garden path.
 
Joel said:
How do you think I know it? Why would someone possibly say such a thing?

Too bad it frustrates you but feel free to not like it all you wish.
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That was my question. How in the world do you know this? I have Model 70 triggers that say this is simply untrue.
 
pathfinder76 said:
That was my question. How in the world do you know this? I have Model 70 triggers that say this is simply untrue.
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Unadjusted, from the box? That's great! I haven't experienced that yet out of quite a few Winchesters. Perhaps some day I can be so lucky again. IF I ever buy another Winchester 70. Bought and shot 3 Pre 64s this year alone so far. OK, maybe going back to Nov of last year but still. Had half a dozen, easy. Ask the guys on the board who bought em when I was done with them. And a few 70 Classics with the claw from the 90s to 2006. Maybe 4 of those. And some push feeds like Black Shadows and Rangers and a featherweight and a couple XTRs.

The best trigger out of all of them was just OK. The worst was absolutely the worst trigger I've had on a rifle. Period. Bigass burrs on it.

In contrast, out of 2 M77 hawkeyes in 7mm-08, 1 in 6.5 Creedmoor, 1 in 275 Rigby I'd bought from Ardent here, a 308 from the EE here, and a 77 African in 280AI, the very worst trigger was still ok. About on par with the best unadjusted Winchester 70, just different. Because it had spongy take up where there's none on a Winny. If you can live with pulling through a fraction of an inch of sponge you're golden.

So yeah, you can be as frustrated as you like, but a Winchester 70 trigger that hasn't been adjusted is a pretty crappy trigger imo. Heavy. Gritty. Often with a little bit of feelable crunch. It can be smithed to being better than a Hawkeye! But again there's a reason everyone says "they are easy to adjust"

You bloody have to.

The new ones have been far and away better out of the box than the old ones. Again, you can clean the old ones up to beat them, sure. But you're gonna have to. Give me a Tikka, as far as triggers go. Take it out of the box and no need to really do much. Better than any 70 trigger out there.
 
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Buckmastr said:
Life must be pretty good if this is a frustration.
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Or just that invested in a piece of machinery :)

People can like what they like and that's great...just haven't had good luck with them at all. Til they're adjusted. Then they can shine, no argument from me. Especially if someone likes a crisp, single stage letoff.
 
Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
...and now considering the O.P. has stated he doesn't handload than any suggestion I gave him previous is as worthless as the paper it was printed on!

I am guilty of trying to save others time and money sometimes, usually from personal experience of past adventures, but I suppose its' all part of being a loony and I'm still chasing my latest greatest to this day spending much of my time and most of my money! ;)
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gear junkies and adventurist to the bone, it's a man thing, I would lose my mind if I wasn't constantly doing this stuff, planning prepping and then applying, appreciate it Sunsteel, and one day when my fingers in less pies I think I will enjoy reloading, that's why I'm saving the brass all this time and also have mostly built my list of equipment, powders, etc. but thinking retirement is the only time I can jump into that pie, for now buying cases of ammo is my gig, as others have pointed out...moa is plenty and it's not hard these days to find sub-moa of the box, we fish and camp our faces off, teach the kids and take the kids on non-stop fishing and hunting stuff, have their Grendels ready to teach how to clean/maintain etc. and enough ammo for us to go lifetime of hunting if needed and they are welcome to do all this up and down the hp ladder as they become adults and find their groove but they will never need more than this little fart to plink, combo coyote/big game and fill freezer in this province and they won't be able to wear one out, I'll let them enjoy the gear junkie games as I do but this is how they will be starting, and have already, both have bears, both have good bucks, both started with coyotes, they both work now at 14/16, one driving (license on his bday and saved a lot of money shovelling walks from door knocking through winter and mowing lawns etc. and we all matched him so found nice used Ranger low miles down by Cardston and so it begins), and so it begins, younger one got learners right after his bday, both got hunter ed at 12, we need to get diploma's and PAL's on deck...it's all coming together, this is what I live for, they are becoming fine young men despite this sick facking world, I'll be taking plenty of credit for it too! and back to grendel, I like the low pressure 52,000 psi factory...it's quiet and funny how the critters don't seem to react like everything else I've shot up until this thing, getting a second shot a coyote at 80 yards with wind in face was eye opening, sending em across valley at deer at 300-420 with wind in face also...only ones to react were the ones hit lol, we got it good at this point in time if factory is your preferred option, reloading is 100% optional imo, one day though I will
 
Man...I checked this out for the 6.5G and now I wish I hadn't! lol.

Using the .510 BC 123gr SST. If there's a better way to spend 31 grains of powder I dunno what it is.

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lol, happy stink, and yeah Joel, wtf are you going on about the 70 trigger, a picture is worth a thousand words, the simplicity and robust of that (original I assume being discussed) was a no-brainer to me and I'm a long ways from a crf 70/mauser/77 expert...calm yer boobs bro ;)

and no, there isn't a better way to burn 30 grains of powder than the 6.5g if you're a hunter, if longer range steel is the focus then you can split a c-hair and look at the 6mm Grendel...er I mean...6mm Arc ;)

the 6.5g is the 21st century interpretation of the 30-30, a 3/4 scale 308 running 168's, a modern alternative to a .243 win, all rolled into one, it's effective range is triple to quadruple the 30-30 though, but lets get back to the New 70's vs New Hawkeyes, and easy up on the triggers lol
 
Buckmastr said:
Did you laugh your way onto the AO ban list?
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you got the punt too Davey? I wear that banning on my sleeve! maybe it should be a tattoo lol

proud of that one, was fighting the covid cultists to see my exit, what did you do? :)

heck you better not have been the one that banned me...BWAHAHA

I know you're not lol, I have a pretty good handle on who that was lol
 
blakeyboy said:
lol, happy stink, and yeah Joel, wtf are you going on about the 70 trigger, a picture is worth a thousand words, the simplicity and robust of that (original I assume being discussed) was a no-brainer to me and I'm a long ways from a crf 70/mauser/77 expert...calm yer boobs bro ;)

and no, there isn't a better way to burn 30 grains of powder than the 6.5g if you're a hunter, if longer range steel is the focus then you can split a c-hair and look at the 6mm Grendel...er I mean...6mm Arc ;)

the 6.5g is the 21st century interpretation of the 30-30, a 3/4 scale 308 running 168's, a modern alternative to a .243 win, all rolled into one, it's effective range is triple to quadruple the 30-30 though, but lets get back to the New 70's vs New Hawkeyes, and easy up on the triggers lol
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Original Win 70 trigger is the most overrated thing on a gun....behind CRF


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Nah I can dig em! The various custom options for Mauser 98 triggers too. I never said they didn't clean up amazingly well. When other triggers start having fails for me (or anyone really) I'll worry more about reliability :)

Considering the Tikka is basically a sporterized TRG and if anyone was really worried, the Arctic has a two stage...Not too worried about those GOOD enclosed triggers :)

Perhaps Davey also expressed forbidden opinions lol.
 
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