New Savage Palma Rifle

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The Palma Trophy Match was originally a match between the USA and Canada. Then the United Kingdom was added and now teams from around the world, with Austrailia, New Zealand and South Africa being the major other competitive teams.

It is shot at 800, 900 and 1000 yards. Teams of 16 shooters, 15 shots per range each, repeated on a second day. A real test of long range shooting.

Until the 60's it was shot with military rifles, with M14's supplied by the host Americans Team at Camp Perry being tha last, as I recall.

Then it changed to the host country suppling all teams with identical target rifles. After 20 years of that format it changed to bring your own rifle.

Just as car manufactures promote cars and better the breed through racing, some rifle manufactuers get involved with Palma rifles. In 1992 Ruger developed a target rifle and gave one to each member of the American Team. They used Ruger barrels instead of quality barrels (like Krieger or Obermyer). The result was the team lost valuable time and focus before realizing the rifle was a lost cause.

Canadians have long used a single shot Savage to build target rifles. A Canadian company, CIL, sold re-badged Savages as target rifles. These were built to a specifiction set by CIL. When Savage supplied the rifles with the wrong chamber (throat too long for the NATO round) CIL ordered a batch of Walther barrels, so each new purchase came as a Savage rifle with a spare barrel.

When I got involved with Savage I started to hound them about building a target rifle, based on a single shot action (for stiffness and easier bedding) My dream was to build the rifle without milling off the top of the receiver. I wanted a loading port on the side, like a Swing, Witchita or Musgrave, or even a Remington 788. At their request, I supplied pictures of target rifles with ports.

They started to build prototypes. First one for evaluation, then 20 and then production models. But because the way the machining equipment was set up, they could not skip milling off the top of the receiver. Subsequent steps of machining entered the receiver from the top.

Sales and reputation for accuracy climbed and they designed the new F class rifle and the F/TR, which, at last, used a loading port.

Savage is now building a new model Palma target rifle. I assume it will be released for general sale.

According to Doug Buell, of Team Savage, "We have had the Team rifles for 2 weeks now. In general, they are a noticeable bump up in quality over even the very good Savage Model 12 F-T/R.

The adjustable furniture on the stock is a particularly nice touch. The fit and finish are improved, both inside and out, specifically the bores are much improved. The accuracy is fantastic, we have been doing fireforming and general load workup for F-Class Nationals in a few weeks, and are finding out what loads the rifles like to consume.

Currently we are finding that they like both the Berger 155VLD's and the new 155.5's with .6-.75" 200 yard groups. My only grouse (and it's relatively minor) is the twist rate is merely a 1:13. I know the Palma shooters will like this, but I find myself yearning for a 1:12!"

The picture shows a scope and bi-pod, as the rifle is dressed for ammo testing. The barrel is .75" at the muzzle, and will be fitted with irion sights, front and back.

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Hi Jim,

Hopefully quality will mprove over the normal run of guns, ie crooked screws etc. Will they have a trigger that will lift the required weight around the world? Will they reply to emails from guys like me about tech info? What iron sights will they use? The picture is not a Palma rifle, ie no scope and no bipod allowed, do they have a picture of a Palma rifle? The first Bisley team I qualified for was with a 950T (Savage 110), I still have it and have not seen a current Savage as well made! The current lam stocks look nice, very nicely finished, made in Turkey I understand!
 
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Ian, the rifle pictured is being tested for use as a target rifle. They are doing load development work with a scope.

I have not been involved with Savage rifle development for severl years. The last contact was info about loading port dimensions for the new F rifle.

The guy behind those projects left Savage last year, after being there for 20+ years. I doubt that I know anyone there any more, but I have been able to get some results for some CGNrs who were being given a hard time over getting some spare parts. I sent their email to my friend, and within a week they had their parts, a written apology and their money back.

What I posted represents 100% of what I know about the new rifle. It was sent to me by Bob P. as part of his Palma Team communication.

I will PM you and give you my contact's cordinates. He can probably help you out.
 
Look great and that adjustable stock will remove any concerns of fitment.

Any idea if Savage is making these pipes inhouse? They seem to be shootingt much better then the run of the mill factory tube.

Ian, that is the one thing that you don't have to worry about is pull weight. There is little issue getting over 2.5lbs.

I think they are also leaving the open sights up to the end user to install. The actions are just drilled and tapped for the mounts.

Jerry
 
I don't know if they make the new barrel. I wondered the same thing myself. I will find out. I do know that I referred Rob McLennan to them to discuss some of the finer points of making a match barrel. I know they talked. Maybe they listened.

The stocks at one time came from an Italian furnature maker. I will ask about the current source.
 
The current trigger weight limit is 1.5kg = 3.3069lbs. Carl is the contact I have as well with no reply.

Simple - replace the accutrigger spring.

A few extra $$ - swap in an aftermarket like a Timney, Rifle basix, Sharp Shooters Supply or even Stevens trigger unit (maybe a bit of moding?????).

Heavier trigger pull (something Savage excels at) is always alot easier to achieve then super light.

Jerry
 
I heard an interesting comment from john Weiss of Team Savage when I was shooting with him at the BC provincials: "If you got to see how their barrels were made, you would never buy one"

His statement was an acknowledgment that they they are a typical crude factory barrel, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The guns shoot well in spite of lacking the attention to detail you find with custom barrels.

There is a history of accuracy problems with some of the F-Class guns in 6.5X284, but by all accounts, Savage customer service has been extremely good. I shot with a fellow last weekend that was using a Savage f-class in the Norma caliber and he was beating custom rifles with it.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy one and I think they represent the best option for someone wanting to get into competitive fullbore shooting.
 
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F-Class

I have no problem what so ever with mine.
these rifles do not stay on the shelf very long at my local gun store.
Hope to get my hands on one as soon as the palma gets here.
 
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It's a real shooter for sure! You won't be able to compete in F-Class with your brake though. I assume from the action length that it's a 6BR?
 
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