New shooter looking to get a solid foundation on a 22. Am I doing this right?

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I am a new shooter who just got his PAL a few weeks ago.
I had some plans in mind for what to get first but, after a few friends told me to start on a 22 and reading the forums, it seems to be a good long term shooter and develop a good foundation, nothing beats starting on a 22!

So what I am curious about is this:

  1. Should I be looking for anything specific in terms of 22s? I was told a bolt action would be the best to start off on and to get a magazine fed piece as I will curse anything else.
  2. Are there different sights you recommend more than others? I am looking at iron sights but I assume as range becomes greater I will want to look at scopes and making sure anything I find should have a scope mount available.
  3. Are there significant differences for me as a new shooter to invest more right away in a quality firearm or could I trade up as I go? a CZ 455 seems to be an amazing firearm but, unless I have to, I would like to lower my start off costs to something more reasonable. I have no problem getting anything used.
  4. How would I progress? Any thing to look out for first or read about? Good habits to develop right away?


Thanks for helping and being such a great community. I look forward to getting my first 22 with all your help.
 
Lower end Savage mk2s, are great starter 22s. Once you get into the fancier models, then you’re dipping into the $500 used CZ 452/455 territory.

If you stay in this 22 game long enough, you will likely have a CZ or better, in your collection.

It boils down to you. Are you willing and able to invest $500 now? Or do you want to go slow and test the waters with a $250 Savage, then see where the road leads you.

IMO, Savage makes great shooters, but CZ makes great looking and feeling shooters.

I have a few of both, with no plans of getting rid of one brand for the other. Because they both do the job of hitting pretty much the same place on the target, both brands keep me happy.

And that’s all that matters.
 
Before you get too far into the research into what you will shoot, take some time to consider where you wil shoot, and what is appropriate for that location.
 
My first and honestly favourite 22 so far was a single shot bolt action from Poland. You will be able to figure out whether your attention span etc for loading.

I would recommend trying one of any action - no better way to learn.

Grab a Henry lever, super fun "high cap" rifle. A bolt and semi are fun as hell and teach the basics well.

I didn't realize how many designs and styles I liked until wandering around a large gun store with nice used rack, even more till I started shooting more
 
Welcome SSpikey,

We need to know more about what you are going to do and spend on your .22 project.

Are you going to hunt with that rifle ? Bull barrels can be more precise but do make rifle heavier and less attractive for hunting.

1-Bolt action is definitely the way to go yo have a low cost precision .22 ( A semi in target configuration will cost 2-3 times to approach bolt rifle precision )

2-Open sights target rifles more than often wears peep sight to obtain better precision. ( More distance between the front and rear sight is a must like on this Savage MKII FVT )

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=429738

3- Good '' new '' sighted rifles are pretty much rare and to keep cost low you'll have to check on the used market.
Most of the budgets rifle are wearing low quality plastic stocks. To me , wood is much better for performance and appearance .
A CZ 452 Lux wears good tangent sight , have good barrels . The stock on the Lux is more open sight oriented than the American.
Later , you'll be able to mount a good quality scope and never regret such a move to go with a nice rifle.

4- Read a lot on the various forums. Find a shooting club and get there to have as much trigger time you can ( and you will with a .22 ) . Meet people and have fun.

Look to some examples: Savage MKII FVT , CIL/Anschutz 190 , CZ 452/453 Lux and much more as it all depends on where you are going with the shooting sport.

Best of luck !
 
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Welome to the shooting sports, and congrats on getting your PAL! You're in the right forum (rimfire) when considering your first firearm...and whoever told you to start with a magazine-fed bolt action=gave you some good advice. I could rattle on as to the "why"on that (and can..) but I'll move on. :)

What to pick? That's a function of your budget really, as there are guns to fill any price range when you come right down to it! lol My advice would be to buy the best you can afford, but don't feel any pressure to make that a top-tier rifle. Chances are that whatever you buy won't be your last..so don't sweat the decision too much at this point. I'll stop short of saying "get a Cooey" because I think there are better choices to be honest. I'd seriously consider a Savage if I were in your shoes. A new B22 preferably but a used Mark II would be an OK choice as well. I personally think the synthetic stocks on Mark IIs are worth trying to avoid, but I've owned one and got by just fine.

As for sights~generally speaking, iron sights on newer/reasonably-priced 22s (Savage/Marlin/Ruger) are nothing special, it's only when you get up to CZ level that they start getting good. There are exceptions..just speaking in general terms. When shopping for 22s, you'll find that standard weight barrels are the models that come with iron sights, varmint (heavy barrel) never do. In most cases, either style will allow you to mount a scope. Which barrel type to choose will depend allot on how you intend to use it. If you're standing and shoulder-firing the rifle (called "offhand" shooting) you won't want to do that with a varmint-weight gun. If you're planning on carrying it allot (i.e., squirrel hunting) again...you'd thank yourself for avoiding a varmint barrel. If your plan is to target shoot from a bench, or lay down and shoot prone off a bipod or rest...this is where a varmint barrel shines. I don't believe it has an accuracy advantage, but in my experience...the extra weight really steadies the gun. Just easier to hold very still. :)

To scope/not scope~if the gun has iron sights and you want to get a feel for it without a scope, I think that's a very sensible thing to do. If you're wired anything like I am (and if your vision is about the same) ...you may find that the distance at which you can see small targets, and see where your bullets are hitting, is actually pretty short. Not saying to scope right away, but for me...targets have to be pretty close, and relatively large for me to see them...and enjoy shooting at them. lol i.e., a clay pigeon or pop can @ about 40 yards might be the practical limit for me and iron sights. Anyhow, like the rifle...get the best scope you can afford if you're going that route. Most people get the cheapest they find to start but with optics, that can really be a limiting factor. Doesn't mean you have to spend a ton on them, but you DO have to sort of buy "smart". Some of the least expensive scopes out there (3-9X) aren't even built for rimfires, and only work properly at distances meant for centerfire rifles.

Ammo~you'll learn this eventually the hard way if nobody tells you :) ....but here is a FACT about 22 LR ammo~not all ammo types shoot well out of all guns. In fact, just the opposite. Some guns will only SHOOT one or two types well. (well=accurately) If accuracy is a priority to you, buy a box of every kind you can get your hands on...and try them in your rifle. You can leave-out match-grade stuff, I'm suggesting ammo that is less than $6-$7 a box. A good choice would be something like CCI Standard Velocity if you can get it. I personally avoid Winchester ammo, but I do have 1 rifle that shoots it decently. (a CZ) I'm also not a fan of Remington rimfire ammo, especially 22. Look for CCI mostly, but I like Federal too. Lastly, decide whether or not you want to be running the highest velocity ammo, or standard velocity. The former leaves the barrel over the speed of sound, so it's significantly louder. The high-speed stuff doesn't tend to be as accurate, but for hunting applications...very much has it's place. I never shoot high velocity while target shooting/plinking. No need. In all cases~wear eye protection/hearing protection.

Anyhow, I'm long winded and inclined to say allot more, but I'll leave it there. Good luck, let us know what you end-up picking...and how you like it!
 
Hi and welcome. As others have said keep it simple at the start, the lower end savages are a good first gun as is the Marlin xt 22. Go to a local shop if there is one near you and get a feel for a couple guns. Dont rush it, find one that works for you, there is tons of good info on this site to get you on the right track.
 
I was in the same boat as you last year and ended up with Marlin XT-22 TSR as the first in the safe - I really like having the tube loader and the flexibility to shoot .22LR or .22 shorts. I have since also bought a Savage MK II for my son and find that to be a very nice, accurate entry level rifle as well.
 
I would suggest taking a Mapleseed course. It is a fun day and you learn how to sight, shoot and use a GI sling.

The rifle they suggest is a 10/22 or a Marlin 795. Sight mods include Tech sights.

There are many videos on you tube but will be titled Appleseed as this is more of an American thing. Mapleseed is new to Canada (I think 3years).

A 795 can be had for $225 -$250 ish. Tech sights are a little tough to find as the don't ship to Canada but they can be ordered though
a firearms store that deals with Brownells.

Welcome to the sport and enjoy your journey.
 
In regards to question #3, yes buying a better quality .22 lr certainly makes a difference at any skill level. The accuracy of the .22lr is a critical part. It’s not hard to outshoot a lot of .22lr especially from a bench. It’s hard to sharpen your skills when the equipment error is more than the shooter. Practicing with a Ruger 10/22 is like practicing rolling dice.

IMO don’t sell yourself short. Get a CZ or something nice. Worst case is it’s worth more for resale.
 
You all have been so incredible!

So a few things since my post and to answer some of your questions.

I highly doubt I will be going hunting with this anytime soon. I have never hunted although I like the idea of getting my own meat I don't think a 22 would be the right choice for what I want to eventually hunt.

Most of the shooting will be in a range in the city and occasional outdoor range with 200yds of distance. Plenty for a 22 with a scope.

I actually by luck ended up at a gun show this afternoon. Completely un-planned. Sadly I didn't find many bolt action 22s. lots of 10/22 which felt incredible! I did try a savage and felt it was meh feeling as did the Norinco J15 short barrel. In order the 10/22 felt like home, savage was ok, norinco not a fan. I thinkt he synthetic stock wasn't right.

Now here a fun one...I found a cz455 Standard brand new in the box for 500$. I also have a Australian cz455 for 525. I am unsure whether there is any wiggle room at those prices but visiting the EE forums, are these prices too low to ignore? It seems like most used cz455 sell for right around 500$ so I would just be out the sales tax?

I have to say, I understand why you guys said the cz will feel incredible. It is just another level of feeling, balance and the bolt feels so "clean" vs the other action on the other brands.

Now I was hoping to stay under 300$ but if you tell me I won't lose much money on a CZ on the used market, I may just do it!
 
Go with the 455 Standard; I have two 455; one is the .22 military trainer and the other a Canadian .17HMR. I often shoot open sights with my trainer against another club member with a standard, and we always place 1 and 2 I'm not a great shooter, but it is a great rifle; he is a great shooter with a great rifle. Learn to shoot open sights first. At ranges below 50 yards, freehand, I shoot better with open sights than I do with a scope (all the time). My scope rifle is a Norinco JW15 with the long barrel that puts every shot in a ragged hole at 25 yards and usually around 3/8" or less at 50 yards (from a bench rest).

If you buy the standard, I doubt you will sell it!

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You are on the right track. A brand new cz455 with a wooden stock for about $500 plus tax is a good deal. If you take a good care of it, you would be able to resell it fairly quickly for about $450. Walnut stock versions would resell for a little more.
 
I doubt you'll lose a lot on the 455 if you decide to resell at some point, provided you don't pay too much initially. If you keep it for while and take care of it, you may break even or actually make a small profit.
A CZ 452 will hold a bit more of it's value than a 455 in my experience, but they're harder to find these days. There are still a few new ones around but they're getting scarce.
I'd avoid the new 457 for now. They're newly introduced and may have some issues that haven't shown themselves yet.
The CZs are noted for being either amazingly accurate or not. QC isn't job one at the barrel shop anymore, most are above average but a few dogs slip through. The odds are good that yours will be just fine, but like any mass-produced product they can have problems.
The 455 and 452 CZs can be slightly difficult to mount a scope because of the high bolt throw. Certainly not impossible, both the ones I've owned have been scoped. Scopes with large eyepieces can be a problem.
CZ is also noted for high quality iron sights in today's market. You get a lot for your money.

The 10/22 is most noted for being a platform to build on with aftermarket parts. Most are less than stellar performers out of the box when it comes to accuracy.
Take a look at a Marlin 60 if you're considering an autoloader, they've got a decent reputation for accuracy and reliability, though they've suffered a bit since Remington bought them. The triggers are a bit rough is one of the criticisms they face.

Expect to buy decent quality ammo to get decent accuracy out of any .22, although most will go bang when you pull the trigger.
Ammo can cost up to $30 for 50 rounds for top grade match ammunition, though few of us go that high.
Plinking ammo will run you about $4 for 50, mid grade target ammo is in the $8-$15 range.
 
Personally, I wouldn't confine the search to new rifles. There are some dandy vintage .22s around. Years ago, CIL sponsored the Dominion Marksman program for competition with sporter weight .22 rifles. You see these rifles for sale from time to time. Brnos, BSAs, Winchesters, Remingtons. They'll have aperture sights - but the front aperture can be replaced with a post for field shooting. Bought a Winchester 69A with Lyman sights at a country auction. Also have a Brno Model 2. Both of these are from the '50s, and both shoot really, really well. Don't overlook vintage Marlins and Mossbergs, either. The vintage rifles tend to be wood and walnut; not a lot of plastic.
 
Welcome to the forum and to the shooting sports. I was in the same boat as you. New shooter trying to pick my first 22 rifle. I was initially set on getting a semi-auto like the Ruger 10/22 but changed my mind after reading the rimfire forums. The 10/22 is a great rifle for tinkerers and ideal for customization etc. But it's a poor shooter out of the box. You can get the Marlin 795 or Malin 60 for much lower cost and much better accuracy with iron sights.

But what really changed my mind was when I visited a few gun shops and actually put the guns to my shoulder. The things I was looking for:

1. Natural point of aim when you bring up the rifle.
2. Cheek placement with iron sights. Do you have to scrunch down to achieve a sight picture?
3. Feel in the hands. Ergonomics
4. Movement of the action. Although most actions will smooth out the more you fire them.
5. Ease of cleaning and ruggedness of design.

The Norinco copy of the Browning SA-22 meets all the above criteria except for one critical shortcoming. It has no bolt hold open which is an absolute requirement for me safety wise.

Surprisingly, I found the most easy fit in the bolt action Savage Mark II G with wood stock. The Savage 64 semi auto also sat very well but the build quality and smooth bolt operation of the Mark II combined with its low price won me over.

So, I would advise you to physically check out as many rimfire rifles as you can and then decide.

Regards,

-- S.
 
I am a new shooter who just got his PAL a few weeks ago.
I had some plans in mind for what to get first but, after a few friends told me to start on a 22 and reading the forums, it seems to be a good long term shooter and develop a good foundation, nothing beats starting on a 22!

So what I am curious about is this:

  1. Should I be looking for anything specific in terms of 22s? I was told a bolt action would be the best to start off on and to get a magazine fed piece as I will curse anything else.
  2. Are there different sights you recommend more than others? I am looking at iron sights but I assume as range becomes greater I will want to look at scopes and making sure anything I find should have a scope mount available.
  3. Are there significant differences for me as a new shooter to invest more right away in a quality firearm or could I trade up as I go? a CZ 455 seems to be an amazing firearm but, unless I have to, I would like to lower my start off costs to something more reasonable. I have no problem getting anything used.
  4. How would I progress? Any thing to look out for first or read about? Good habits to develop right away?


Thanks for helping and being such a great community. I look forward to getting my first 22 with all your help.

Hey Sspikey,

As lots of the forum members here have given you plenty of sound advice on firearm and optics options, I will give you the one piece of advice I would give to new or experienced shooter alike.

Take a Mapleseed!

It will be the best event you can participate in to learn the fundamentals of marksmanship before you create any bad habits. It is a solid starting point. Bring whatever .22 rifle/optic you desire aswell as a teachable attitude. You will be glad you did. Check out their website to get an idea of what it's about.
 
Having introduced several new shooters to 22 rifle I think the best way to acquire skill is to buy a used single shot 22 target rifle with click adjustable aperture sights. Better choices include the Martini - action BSA, Brno, Anschutz, or the Schultz & Larsen target 22s that used to be plentiful on the Trade Ex site and are now cropping up elsewhere. Stick with that regularly for a year, starting prone, and it'll teach you how to shoot. You might never want a scope, and I bet you'll never want a semi-auto. You'll soon be able to get good groups on a 6" target, or a 6" or even 3" gong, at 100 yards, and maybe more.
 
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