New shotguns, MAG-FED and SHORTIES - NEW PICS

right now, if I can't have a factory 12.5" mag fed, then I would just like to have 12.5" barrels available as an aftermarket item... preferably fixed IC choke in a heavy wall thickness with bead sights to accommodate the modifications that I want to make to my future Grizzly-Mag.

Its the only thing keeping me from buying one immediately.
 
I got the 12" tube fed shotty and I used a mossberg 500 choke np. Wasn't sure if the choke would fit but it does perfectly.
 
badboybeeson said:
because if your using you shotgun as a tactical shotgun you do not want one as in the end it will come lose and go down range.
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.... and this has occured how often?
It takes 20 complete turns to unscrew the choke from my Grizzly.
On the 19th revolution the choke protrudes almost 3/4" from the muzzle of the gun.

I've heard of people blowing out chokes using steel shot but never a choke "unscrewing" itself.

Besides, worst case, the "open" choke means wider pattern on the attacking zombies :)

L
 
lmar said:
.... and this has occured how often?
It takes 20 complete turns to unscrew the choke from my Grizzly.
On the 19th revolution the choke protrudes almost 3/4" from the muzzle of the gun.

I've heard of people blowing out chokes using steel shot but never a choke "unscrewing" itself.

Besides, worst case, the "open" choke means wider pattern on the attacking zombies :)

L
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if your choke comes lose, as it does happen when you training and shot or slugs are fired.
1 it will damage the barrle and 2 the threads.
A true combat shotgun will have no screw in choke, it just not "bet your life on it" thing to do.
Trust them that know.
You wil lnot find a police or Mil shotgun in use today that has a thread in intrernal choke.
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box fed shotguns???

Box fed shotgun???

Unless you have a very specific need to change ammo types in a big hurry,
this seems like a monumental silly approach.

Box magazines are the single most problematic issue with any firearm that employs them, if they aren't bent/split/damaged/dirty/poorly designed....they are missing!!
Topping off a tube fed shotgun is easy/fast/user friendly and the mag tube is always there and rarely malfunctions!


Random thoughts after perusing this thread.....Lot's of cool guns here I might add!
 
terez said:
Box fed shotgun???

Unless you have a very specific need to change ammo types in a big hurry,
this seems like a monumental silly approach.

Box magazines are the single most problematic issue with any firearm that employs them, if they aren't bent/split/damaged/dirty/poorly designed....they are missing!!
Topping off a tube fed shotgun is easy/fast/user friendly and the mag tube is always there and rarely malfunctions!


Random thoughts after perusing this thread.....Lot's of cool guns here I might add!
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Seems like sound reasoning to me.

AF
 
There's good and valid cases where mag-feed shotguns have an advantage, terez.

How long does it take to load a tube fed? What is the legal definition of "loaded" and where can a firearm be loaded? All very important concerns when considering a firearm for defense in our legal climate.
 
terez said:
Box fed shotgun???

Unless you have a very specific need to change ammo types in a big hurry,
this seems like a monumental silly approach.

Box magazines are the single most problematic issue with any firearm that employs them, if they aren't bent/split/damaged/dirty/poorly designed....they are missing!!
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How well does a tube fed work if the mag tube is full of dirt/sand/mud? or dented or other wise damaged?

Damage and user abuse should not detract for a guns usefulness. Tube feds are great no argument against them proven design for sure, but box fed is not exactly new.

A box fed shotgun is simpler = less to go wrong, no lifter the bolt just strips the next shell off the mag.

and although not many of us need to do tactical ammo changes I see a HUGE advantage for hunting, to be able to unload/load to enter/exit a vehicle, cross a fence, river, climb a stand etc. Also when hunting in areas with lower mag limits the mag can easily blocked temporarily, and you will be able to change the mag to be topped back up.

It is also not a problem (once the mags are modified) to drop a shell in the ejection port and load it. Or to drop shells in with out the mags by tilting the gun to the left 90*.
 
and although not many of us need to do tactical ammo changes I see a HUGE advantage for hunting, to be able to unload/load to enter/exit a vehicle, cross a fence, river, climb a stand etc. Also when hunting in areas with lower mag limits the mag can easily blocked temporarily, and you will be able to change the mag to be topped back up.
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weeeellllll........ not really so much. These really aren't deer guns and those who hunt birds are always restricted in rounds anyway, and aside from grouse you don't really hunt ducks from a car that much (oh i have, but it's not really how it's normally done :) ) A few hunters may benefit, but very few i think.

I don't see anything wrong with it that's for sure. but there's a reason that detach mags have been huge for rifles but never really caught on with shotgunners.

Where I CAN see an advantage is for things like camp defense. Leave the gun unloaded with the mag next to it - hear a noise in camp at night and wham, you've got a full load of bear crushing slugs in the gun without individually loading the mag. Very handy for farmers or rurral folk who hear something in their chicken coop too - you can switch from shot (if it's a yote or skunk or the like) to slugs (if it's a bear or the like) very fast. And leave the shotty right by the door ready for a mag.

It's got it's place, that's for sure.
 
I wonder if you could plug one mag to 2 rounds for hunting, and have another mag in your pocket with 5 slugs for protection. that would be perfect.
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Ok - i'd have to check the legality of that, but if it's legal then that might be the ONE sort of 'hunting application' i could think of. Not for defense so much - but in bc you're allowed 'full' mags for hunting big game with slugs. So if you were walking a trail looking for grouse but wanted to have something in case you ran into a deer or the like then that might be handy. Now folks just put in a slug and rack it - but you've then just got one shot.
 
yeah foxer that is what I was getting at. May not hunt from a truck but what about a atv? or in a canoe or boat for defense.

Your right about these not being real deer guns, but I got the 18.5, and plan on adding a longer, maybe rifled barrel at some point.
 
Your right about these not being real deer guns, but I got the 18.5, and plan on adding a longer, maybe rifled barrel at some point.
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Well, you're winning me over a little. I guess it would be nice to say "grouse gun" today with a longer barrel (don't REALLY need the mag) and 'deer gun' tomorrow with a slug barrel swapped out in 2 minutes (and then the detach mag really is handy, same as any rifle), and bear defense gun for the camping trip the next day with a short barrel and handy mag.

Curse you and your inevitably infallible logic! If I have to cave and go broke buying one of these you and I are going to have a 'chat' young man. :D
 
You won't go broke buying one of these Foxer.
You may go broke if you want one of each though!
Chris is bringing in some nifty coach guns now too!
 
Oh man... it'd be really nice if the 'coach' guns came in near the 26" OAL!
I've been resisting the Grizzlys but a really short SxS would pry my credit card loose!
 
Oh man... it'd be really nice if the 'coach' guns came in near the 26" OAL!
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Well i had a stoeger backpacker - full length stock and a 12 inch barrel on it just like the coach gun barrels, and as i recall it was 27 inch oal. :)

I so want one of those short coaches he's bringing in :)
 
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