New Tactical Rifle from Savage

I am not a fan of that buttstock either. Looks fragile and a heinz 57 mix of parts to get a 'look'. Bad idea.

Flexy buttstocks are not ideal to precision shooting nor handling heavy recoil.

I actually prefer the design of the Chinese rear stock better. Much more rigid with adjustments where needed.

If I did get one, that butt would undergo serious surgery. Maybe a folder????? Very interested in the mag set up and what type of mags they will be offering.

This rifle is no more then a restocked Savage 10. ALL their LE rifles are based on the same platform.

Now they are thinking about making a dual port action which is simply the action with both RH and LH ports cut. Great for the bench shooters looking for this feature.

I am very glad that they are so proactive in producing new rifles to fit into other areas beside hunting. Their sales have likely shown how good a decision this has been.

They have redesigned their stocks before and maybe will redesign this one as well. Given the proportions, any normal sized shooter is going to have that collapsible stock as short as it gets for a normal eye relief. The stock attachment should go right behind the grip as in the AR. That stub extension is not going to be of any benefit to a shooter

Lots of tacticool. Not alot of practical....except that mag system...Hopefully.

Jerry
 
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I have yet to meet a M4ish AR stock that didn't have some wiggle in it. Granted, I have not played with them all but enough to see a trend.

Any wiggle reduces your ability to be consistent - the rifle simply will not recoil the same. Not a big deal in a 223 but not so good for a 308 and definitely not for a 338LM.

For min of bad guy, sure. But for bughole accuracy, it is a handicapp I would prefer not to have.

Why I prefer the design of the Chinese stock better. One piece, reinforced well at the root by the grip. SOLID.

Also, there are at least two attachment points from the grip to the stock. Will these loose with use? Is there flex here too?

An AR buttstock is hollow by design. Usually quite light. Is the rifle going to be overly nose heavy? Will ballasting the rear cause other issues by strainging the attachment points?

Is the detents for the stock adjustments going to wear and wiggle more when used? Are the stock adjustments going to survive the recoil forces (plastic on plastic mostly)?

I sense this to be a real world weakness because I have yet to see a 50BMG AR upper using a collaspsible stock. Everyone I see uses to the A1 solid stock.

If you wanted to mount that on this stock, you better be 6'8" or you will not be comfy reaching the trigger/bolt and the scope would be on an extension BACKWARDS.

Grip forward looks great though.

Jerry
 
Without having seem the price, it seems like you'd be better off getting a regular Savage target rifle, and putting a V-bull mag on it.

Of course you wouldn't have the LCF, but if you wanted to get creative, I'm sure you could figure out how to affix a pistol grip.

It is cool though...
 
Jerry the reason I asked was that my Tubb 2000 has a flexible stock and it shoots remarkably well I believe that the issue with flexibility of the Butt stock may be over exaggerated . If the shooter positions the rifle correctly in the shoulder pocket and pulls the stock into his shoulder there will be no movement
 
Its pretty easy to see that the stock is designed to work with fixed length AR butt stocks and they put an M4 one on there for some reason. There are a few very nice target butt stocks for ARs that would be ideal on that rifle.

The problem with the AR is that there are so many options for accessories and a lot of them good.
 
that's probably what they were going for. The customize with ease factor.

I still don't like the mounting point though. The way it sticks out before the butt stock actually begins, bothers me a bit.

Like others have said. It looks flimsy.
 
I like the general tacticool look but there are a few specific things I don't like..cosmetically. The small flimsy part on the stock thats near the pistol grip is too thin, it should be a little thicker to match the other parts of the stock.
 
Savage said:
Jerry the reason I asked was that my Tubb 2000 has a flexible stock and it shoots remarkably well I believe that the issue with flexibility of the Butt stock may be over exaggerated . If the shooter positions the rifle correctly in the shoulder pocket and pulls the stock into his shoulder there will be no movement
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Like the Harris bipod, it can be made to work very well. But for me, if starting from the ground up designing something, why design in obvious flaws.

If they wanted the AR buttstock feature so shooters could play, why not put in an adapter just like the 870's, AK's, etc. That stub extension looks horrid, can't be all that strong, and increases the length way more then shooters are going to like.

The solid non adjustable styles offered would be too long if you put them 2 to 3" FURTHER away from the mounting point on an AR.

Until we see the finished product, I hold out hope that they will read these comments and go 'geese, that makes sense'.

Jerry
 
Looks like another copy of the tube gun :rolleyes:

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