New to hunting, what rifle .270 or 30-06?

30-06 is a good caliber. I had one once. Don't have it anymore. Don't miss it. My .270 win can do just about anything the 30-06 can do, with less recoil and flatter trajectory. If I need any more stopping power than a .270 can deliver, I bring a stopper rifle with considerably more power than a 30-06. The .270 is boring? Check out the ballistics tables and see what it takes to shoot flatter than a top end 130 grain boattail .270 win out of a quality bolt gun. My 130 grain Barnes TSX handloads flirt with 3200 fps and are safe in my rifle. No holdover required on deer sized game out to 330 yds. I have a Tikka 695 Whitetail in .270 win. It has never failed to shoot any load, factory or handloads, at or sub 1" groups. Tikka barrels are very high quality. I once fired 60+ rounds off the bench in July heat without paying attention to letting the barrel cool. I detected NO point of impact drift whatsoever. Super triggers too. Either caliber is a good choice. But unless the majority of the game you hunt is 1000 lbs+, the 30-06 really doesn't offer anything the .270 doesn't, except more recoil and less flat trajectory. Black bears and moose are well within the .270's acceptable range of applications, provided a quality projectile suited for what you are hunting is used at a reasonable range. This is no less true for a 30-06, or any caliber, for that matter.

Good luck with your choice!
 
"...,so the .270is a good caliber for youngsters and shooters of slight build."
C.W. Matthews


.270 is just a necked down 30-06

its the gehy cousin of the 30-06
 
Both will work obviously, but I think the 30-06 is a bit more versatile just because of the larger choices of bullet weights / styles for both factory ammo users and handloaders.
 
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The .30-06 Springfield has a long history, and has been and still is among the favorite all around big game caliber.
For the hunter who will hunt everything from deer to moose or even the prarie dog, the .30-06 is by far a great choice.
You get a range of bullet weights from the 110-grain bullet to the 220-grain bullet.
Loaded with the 180-grain bullet, the .30-06 will retain over 1,300 ft/lbs of energy at 400 yards.
That is plenty to knock an Elk off it's feet. Although the bullet drop at at that range is nearly 50 inches.
But it is available in almost every action and almost every brand of fire arm on the market.
This is an advantage for the .30-06. Finding a rifle action, model, and style that you want is easy with the .30-06.
Because of its popularity you will have no problem finding or borrowing ammunition for the .30-06 no matter where you are.
 
270 win ammo is just as common as 30-06.:confused:

Factory 270 win 130 grain ammo has a maximum point blank range of 305 yds. Recoil is 16.5 ft-lbs.:cool:

Factory 30-06 150 grain ammo has an mpbr of 287 yds. Recoil is 17.6 ft-lbs.:(

Killing power for the above loads is 35 for the 270 and 37.3 for the 30-06.

Not bad for a "ghey" cartridge. So when a "ghey" cartridge equals and in many applications outdoes the 30-06, what does that make the 30-06? Methinks the 30-06 crowd are a bit touchy about this...

As I recall I referred to the 30-06 as a good cartridge. And it is. I have no use for it, because if I'm hunting smaller game I want more ballistic performance than a 30-06 (ie. a 270), and if I may be confronted with game bigger than deer, I won't be betting my hunt or my life on either a .270 or 30-06, and will bring either my 444 marlin loaded with 325 grain hardcast @2200 fps, or my 8x68S magnum loaded with 220 grain @ 2800 fps(suitable for youngster and shooters of slight build...:evil:). Both of those rifle are stoppers for anything on this continent. A 30-06 isn't. Hence why I don't miss my 30-06. The 30-06 truly is versatile...or middling, in its performance, depending on whether you worship the cartridge or not. I don't worship cartridges, 270 or 30-06, I just shoot them. I always hear that if someone were forced to have only one rifle it would be a 30-06. But the point is we AREN'T forced to have only one rifle, and very few of us using this webpage do (given that it's called CANADIANGUNNUTZ:rolleyes:) So I don't get what that argument is supposed to prove?
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Well it does not matter what rifle you choose, Both the above mentioned cartridges will get the job done any place in this country.

I too would choose the 270 Tikka

I perfer larger cartridges, but hey, thats a personal pref.
 
shepodyguide said:
270 win ammo is just as common as 30-06.:confused:

Factory 270 win 130 grain ammo has a maximum point blank range of 305 yds. Recoil is 16.5 ft-lbs.:cool:

Factory 30-06 150 grain ammo has an mpbr of 287 yds. Recoil is 17.6 ft-lbs.:(

Killing power for the above loads is 35 for the 270 and 37.3 for the 30-06.

Not bad for a "ghey" cartridge. So when a "ghey" cartridge equals and in many applications outdoes the 30-06, what does that make the 30-06? Methinks the 30-06 crowd are a bit touchy about this...

As I recall I referred to the 30-06 as a good cartridge. And it is. I have no use for it, because if I'm hunting smaller game I want more ballistic performance than a 30-06 (ie. a 270), and if I may be confronted with game bigger than deer, I won't be betting my hunt or my life on either a .270 or 30-06, and will bring either my 444 marlin loaded with 325 grain hardcast @2200 fps, or my 8x68S magnum loaded with 220 grain @ 2800 fps(suitable for youngster and shooters of slight build...:evil:). Both of those rifle are stoppers for anything on this continent. A 30-06 isn't. Hence why I don't miss my 30-06. The 30-06 truly is versatile...or middling, in its performance, depending on whether you worship the cartridge or not. I don't worship cartridges, 270 or 30-06, I just shoot them. I always hear that if someone were forced to have only one rifle it would be a 30-06. But the point is we AREN'T forced to have only one rifle, and very few of us using this webpage do (given that it's called CANADIANGUNNUTZ:rolleyes:) So I don't get what that argument is supposed to prove?
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I would say its you that is getting his thong panties in a knot.

ooooohhhhhh point blank range hoooo mystic words.

anyone knows that with bullet and powder differences you can make those numbers do what ever you want

you forgot to mention that a PBR the 30-06 delivers 300 ft/lbs more on target
oooooooohhhhhhhhh
I see nothing wrong with either cartridge, I like the '06 cause that is what I have. Nothing I said was directed at you.


The ol' 30-06 has spawned many a new cartridge
22-250
250-3000
300 savage
308 via 300 savage
270 win
280 rem
25-06 rem
35 whelen

All tried to improve on and beat the old 30-06
Although some cartriges see a slight improvement over the '06 in certain areas

NON and I repeat NON have replaced it as the best over all cartridge. Although the 270 is close

"BEWARE OF THE MAN WITH ONLY ONE GUN, BECAUSE HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT" author unknown

Personally, if I were able to handle the recoil, I would only use the 375 H&H


Oh, by the way, how many 1000yard competitions did the 270 win??????????
 
270 Or 30-06 For Moose Hunting Trip

First I would find a good range and contact some members that have 30-06 and 270 rifles. Go out and shoot with them then decide what you prefer.
The Tikka might suit you better than a Remington or Savage.

We can debate this forever and still be undecided when you go on your hunting trip.

Like I said try them out if you can and then pick up the one you like.
That's the first step, then put a good scope on it. It doesn't have to cost a fortune but it should be in the couple of hundred dollar range price wise, but research that as well. Have it set up for standing, because it should be right there when you put it up to shoot.

Then learn to shoot it properly. Put lots of rounds down range, at different distances, and not all from the bench. You aren't going to have one with you on the hunt, so learn to shoot without it or get a good bipod or monopod. Pick a good simple sling and learn to use it to your advantage. I prefer a leather sling with suede inside to keep the gun from slipping off my shoulder, but the sling depends on your hunting conditions. It should be easily detached if you are in a situation where it will be in the way.

Good luck on your purchase, and your hunting trip.
I as well as the other members will want to see pictures of your gun, and your first Moose.

Albayo
 
Moose are big fellows remember and actually they are purty much the largest game on our continent with the exception of very very few bears.
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Actually according to a friend in NWT I was suprised to learn that the Woods Bison is the largest North American land mammal. He hunts them with his 35Whelen.
http://www.mb.ec.gc.ca/nature/endspecies/sar/db08s07.en.html

Also there are some critters under 1000lbs in Ontario that a 30-06 with 220s would best the 270 I believe - a BIG bear in the 600lb plus category. Lotsa fat and tissue to plow thru (at last light often) and bigger heavier bullets fair better as a general rule - bigger hole, hopefully an exit - more blood trail, less runners.

I would get the 30-06 over the 270 for moose bear and deer and get a varmint gun later. I lived and hunted s. Ontario for many years and that approach seemed best. Actually I liked quieter varmint rigs shooting around farm buildings, cows and horses too. I had a 6.5Swede because of the 270 rule but found it too loud to shoot alot. I liked to use a 222 Rem alot. The less noise the better in this age of complaining neighbours etc.

My 2cents
 
I don't know about the .270 being legal in S. Ont, I was told that it is the bullet diameter .276 that is over the .270 limit for a reason to keep the .270 out of S. Ont for varmint hunting, best check with a reliable source before believing whats on the internet. Just my 2 cents. Flame on if you must.

Ben
 
best check with a reliable source before believing whats on the internet.
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No flame on
That's good - a reliable sorce.
But the 270 was always legal when I lived there because they used the phrase something like "not to exceed" or "not greater than" 270 calibre and they did NOT refer to bullet diameter as you suggest.
That said, there is still alot of friggen confusion as to when and where and under what exact circumstances the "270 rule" applies in S. Ontario. I'm glad I live in N. Ontario now - less people and less BS when it comes to hunting.

By the way, did Jon_M get his rifle? What did he buy?
A BAR in 30-06 - good choice
I'm finished - flame off
 
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