New to reloading the 45-70

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Hi guys I'm going to start reloading 45-70 soon.
I'm curious if there are any tips or tricks i should know about loading this cartridge.

Everything will be done on my lee single stage press.

I have 2 boxes of 325gt ftx bullets to play with currently but i see lots of guys reloading hard cast bullets. Any other suggestions? This will be for bears and other big creatures here on Vancouver island etc. Hunting/hiking kinda thing.

How is the starline brass. I get most of my reloading components from Henry @ budget reloading supplies and he has it in stock.

Any recommendations on die sets? Recommended powders?

Thanks in advance
 
to start with factory loaded ftx bullets are loaded in shorter cases so you will likely have to trim standard cases or your oal length will be to long. myself I load nothing but cast bullets I feel commercial cast bullets are to hard and will not expand in game. for this reason I cast my own if you wish to load cast I would recommend getting a copy of lyman cast bullet hand book I am just across yhe water on the big island and cast works on anything I have shot. if you have any questions send pm good luck
 
The FTX requires shorter cases but you are in luck! As most folks don't care much for the shorter Hornady brass and it can be found reasonably cheap 1f thru the equipment exchange... Please don't trim down starline brass... That is rite next to pouring good scotch down the drain.

As for cast bullets on game... Yes you won't get much expansion with a hard cast bullet... But... As myself and others who have harvested animals with a 405gr cast that features a nice big flat nose can inform you... Animals don't run far when you put a .45cal hole cleanly thru the lungs/heart... You end up with less blood shot meat and stunning penetration even at low velocity... My mulie doe was shot from 75 yards with a paltry 16gr of trailboss giving me approx 1300fps at the muzzle, it cut a clean finger size hole between two ribs straight thru her heart and broke a rib as the bullet exited... 3 bounds and when she came down her legs went out from under her and head went down.
 
Hi guys I'm going to start reloading 45-70 soon.
I'm curious if there are any tips or tricks i should know about loading this cartridge.

Everything will be done on my lee single stage press.

I have 2 boxes of 325gt ftx bullets to play with currently but i see lots of guys reloading hard cast bullets. Any other suggestions? This will be for bears and other big creatures here on Vancouver island etc. Hunting/hiking kinda thing.

How is the starline brass. I get most of my reloading components from Henry @ budget reloading supplies and he has it in stock.

Any recommendations on die sets? Recommended powders?

Thanks in advance

What rifle are you using? If it's a lever like a Marlin 1895 or Henry All Weather(like I have) read on.

The Starline Brass is excellent, I have no complaints with it whatsoever. I use CCI large rifle Primers (No.200)
Since there doesn't seem to much (if anything) out there for carbide dies, I just went for a $45 3 Die LEE set and it's been excellent actually, it just means you have to use case lube. I guess that would be one tip I'd give anyone when re-loading a rifle case in a non-carbide die: Don't use too much lube or the case will buckle and dent and you really don't want that given that these components aren't cheap. Using a lube pad really helps to get a light even coat; just gently roll the casings over the pad right before you put them through the sizing die. An extra step I take is to throw the resized casings back in the tumbler for an hour after resizing to help remove any excess lube. Just paranoid about that I guess.

If you're loading those ftx bullets, the others have told you about casing length. If you end up finding some brass to go with those bullets, the next tip would be that the shorter brass is not going to work with the LEE factory crimp die.
Since no one else has mentioned it, you will need a firm crimp on these rounds if you're using a lever gun where the bullets sit end to end in the magazine. There's quite a bit of recoil to these firearms and bullet setback can be a real issue if cases are not properly crimped in to the bullet.

If you're looking for a good hunting bullet for anything up to and including Black Bear, the Sierra 300gr Jacketed Flat Point is a really nice option at a decent price. Available at Cabellas. If you're getting stuff from Henry, just grab the Speer 400gr jacketed Soft Point Flat Nose and be done with it. They've been accurate for me, and will knock down most anything with a well placed shot or two assuming you're using an appropriate load.

For powders, IMR 3031 is excellent, as is Alliant Reloader 7. I've used IMR 4198 with good success as well. The Hodgdon and Alliant load data tables have good information to get you started.
If you're a pistol loader, you can also try Unique for plinking rounds. I've used 14-15gr of it with my 350gr Speers and it was a really nice range round to help me get accustomed to the rifle when I first got it.

My 45-70 is by far my favorite firearm. Tons of fun to shoot!
 
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Hi guys I'm going to start reloading 45-70 soon.
I'm curious if there are any tips or tricks i should know about loading this cartridge.

Everything will be done on my lee single stage press.

I have 2 boxes of 325gt ftx bullets to play with currently but i see lots of guys reloading hard cast bullets. Any other suggestions? This will be for bears and other big creatures here on Vancouver island etc. Hunting/hiking kinda thing.

Use 405 grain bullets, woodleigh are the best I've used, Barns original are also good, hard cast is also good with a gas check for large critters that don't bite back, otherwise use expanding.


How is the starline brass. I get most of my reloading components from Henry @ budget reloading supplies and he has it in stock.


Starline brass is very good, Henry is even better, can't go wrong with those two choices

Any recommendations on die sets? Recommended powders?

Lee dies are good, make sure to flare the necks, instructions are in the die set, get a lee factory crimp die, if you're loading for a strong lever like a Marlin, 54 grains of H 322 will give about 1950 fps given 22" of barrel. That will flatten anything on the planet let alone BC

Thanks in advance

Those loads are for a Marlin only, out of Hogden's manual. Good luck
 
Ill be running a marlin 1895 sbl

I tried a marlin 1895 and the sharp edges on the feed gate scratched the hell out of my brass. As a reloader I didn't care for that much.
From what I read this isn't a problem for everyone, but there are definitely reports of it out there. Just something to be aware of.
 
I have jacket data for a Marlin 1895 modern...............300gr Hornady/54gr-IMR3031/Win brass/Fed LRMP/.536" 3 shot group at 100 yards................350grFN Hornady/44gr IMR 4198 same brass + primer/.504" 3 shot group at 100 yards.With a 4x Leupold of course.If using cast go a couple thousands over groove size gas checked .460-.461 cast hard for micro-groove barrels............the cast boolit form is a wealth of knowledge.
 
I tried a marlin 1895 and the sharp edges on the feed gate scratched the hell out of my brass. As a reloader I didn't care for that much.
From what I read this isn't a problem for everyone, but there are definitely reports of it out there. Just something to be aware of.

After a quick action polish that problem on the 1895 goes away.
 
After a quick action polish that problem on the 1895 goes away.

I've read that somewhere. Since it was unfired I just went back to the gun shop and exchanged it for the Henry All Weather and happy I did, I actually like it a bit better than the Marlin.
I think I'd still rather have a feedgate on the side, but I'm so used to this tube now that I can load it just as quick as I could the Marlin.

I settled on 350gr Hornady RNFP as an all round bullet. I load to near max with H4198 (the exact charge eludes me at the keyboard right at this moment). It hits hard at both ends from my Marlin 1895.

Could you please tell me where your getting those? I'm having a heck of a time finding them. I really like the Round nose 350gr interlocs, but a bit apprehensive about loading them in a tubular magazine.
 
Thanks for all the great info you guys. Im really looking forward to playing around with some loads. I have a couple pounds of unique and am interested in the soft shooting target loads too so maybe i can get my wife to take a few shots since it was her father's rifle.
 
14-15gr unique behind any bullet under 500gr will be a poofy load that will still kill stuff you hit in the right spot at reasonable range. I have about an ice cream bucket of the short hornady brass that people have given me and I’ve never used. I’m up for a good deal if you are.

My favourite loads are a 405gr rnhb at 1100 with trail boss or unique and 480gr hard cast at 1650 with Imr or dominion 4198. I shoot my 45/70 like a rim fire. When it wears out, I’ll buy another.
 
I've read that somewhere. Since it was unfired I just went back to the gun shop and exchanged it for the Henry All Weather and happy I did, I actually like it a bit better than the Marlin.
I think I'd still rather have a feedgate on the side, but I'm so used to this tube now that I can load it just as quick as I could the Marlin.



Could you please tell me where your getting those? I'm having a heck of a time finding them. I really like the Round nose 350gr interlocs, but a bit apprehensive about loading them in a tubular magazine.

Certainly...Check your inbox.
 
425 gr hard cast frieght trains from jethunter. Over 46gr of imr 3031. I cut my brass just a tiny bit shorter than max length. Makes quite the thumper. Not as bad on the shoulder as the factory ftx rounds but you know it's there. Lol.
 
Hornady 350gr RN recovered from Bull Mooses at impact speeds shown. These have worked not too bad in my .45-70 Marlin. Decent shock, but limited penetration.

A bonded core bullet like the 405gr Woodleigh .45-70 bullet would have better controlled expansion for deeper penetration.

A hard cast / equivalent type bullet for ultimate bone smashing penetration and shock in the .45-70 Marlin.

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Thanks for all the great info you guys. Im really looking forward to playing around with some loads. I have a couple pounds of unique and am interested in the soft shooting target loads too so maybe i can get my wife to take a few shots since it was her father's rifle.

I have no doubt your wife could handle these loads using Unique with no problem. I use 14 grains with a 405 grain cast bullet, and it's quite pleasant, and would not hesitate to use it for a 100-125 m deer load. I'm not recoil shy, but every swing doesn't have to knock the ball out of the park.
 
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