New to shooting, help for a newbie

22 lr or wmr?

I would definitely go with 22 lr. Play with it until you are good and used to shooting, and getting respectable groups. 22lr will cost anywhere from 2 to 10 (match ammo) a box, whereas wmr starts at around $12. With what you'll save in a year, you'll have enough to buy a 223 or 308. It's quite easy to go through 10 boxes of ammo in a day, so you're looking at an average 0f $30 for regular ammo, versus $125 and up for wmr.
 
With practice and confidence...you can accomplish the 200 yard mark with either caliber. If you are willing to spend more cash per shell...then try the magnum...but really nothing that the magnum can do, cannot be accomplished by a good .22. A lot depends on what you want to do at 200....target shooting or field operations...gophers. I personally do not own a magnum and felt no need for one. the Mossy 144 .22 does all the accuracy and distance I want.
 
I'd say get both, 22lr and some older beat up Enfield in 303 british for 100$. Iron sights and all. Enfield will quickly show you where the flinch is and sort of outline the scope of work.

17HMR is way to pricey for practice, its more like mini-centerfire than rimfire rifle. Also, thinkg of any firearms as a toy is a no-no.
 
.22 all the way. My 10/22 is the gun I use the most by an order of magnitude. You can shoot them anywhere and won't bother anyone. They are also accurate enough for target practice, cheaper than a Big Mac Meal for 200 rds. No ear gear required etc...

A .308 makes a great 2nd gun!!!

Nuff said
 
Most side by side comparisons between the 22lr and the 22mag show the 22lr is more accurate. The 22 mag is purely a small game hunting cartridge. To this day there is no one making match rimfre ammo in 22 mag....or bulk ammo for that matter.

To keep costs down , the 22 lr beats the mag hands down. There has been a ton of solid advice already to your questions. Start with a 22 lr bolt gun and progress with that. Shoot it lots....this is the rifle you will likely shoot more than any other.

The Savage rimfires are excellent bargains. The CZ...in my opinion....doesn't need much upgrading at all. I suggest to handle as many as you can and get a feel for what feels right in YOUR hands. The EE is an excellent place to look for used guns and gear. Rimfire barrels are extremely difficult to wear out, so the fear of buying a used one is less of a concern. With hundreds of thousands of rounds through a bolt gun built in the 60s and 70s, the extractor and ejector may come into question, but are replaceable all the same.
 
go with .22 LONG RIFLE first. anything else will easily be 3 to 5 times the price.

one of my co-workers bought himself a glock 9mm for christmas. went out to the range a few times, he would generally put less than 50 rounds down range per session. he bought a .22 pistol about a month ago. he still shoots the same amount out of the glock, but he can also put 500 rounds through the .22 and not feel bad about the price!

your first firearm does not need to belch flame, kick like a mule and make thunder to prove your a man, or whatever it is that makes you think .22 is a "toy". you could ask nearly anyone, and they'll say they learned on a .22.

there is a saying something to the effect of ".308 kills with .22 skills".

a .22 LR can reach out 200 yards, but it takes a marksman. it's been said that 200 yards with .22LR is like shooting 600 yards with .308.

happy hunting! :cool:
 
but if someone say hey, im a shooter, I shoot .22, and another say hey im a shooter, I shoot .338 lapua

So who cares? Right now what matters is the number of shots you are taking so that you can learn to shoot well, not how big or powerful the rifle is. You can shoot your .22 all day long, the guy with the .338, not so much. Don't worry about it.
 
All good advice above.

If this is your first, what you need to be doing right now is learning how to shoot - things like breathing, trigger control, stance, sight picture, etc. At this point, anything else is a waste of time, energy and money. A .22 will do that every bit as well as anything else, at way less than the cost of a major calibre rifle. And .22LR ammo is cheap, even very good .22LR. Moreover, ammo will also be available in any store you visit anywhere in Canada, where the .17 may just be a question mark.

The .22LR is a useful varmint round as well, but I think 200m is stretching it except on a range with known distances. Under 100m would be my recommendation.

Comments above WRT used .22s are good advice. Spending a bit less on the rifle (solid, in good condition but without all the glitz, bells and whistles) will allow you to buy a lot more of the ammo that will allow you to learn to use the rifle (and those you get later) better. My vote is for a single shot and (unless your eyes require glass) iron sights. Best investment possible. Patience now will pay off big-time later.

BTW, the first time you bag a gopher, a rabbit or a groundhog, you'll look at the critter and realize that the .22 is not a toy.
 
Everyone says start with a .22lr, but I started with a Remington Model 700BDL in .300win mag, because when I got my license, I went Moose hunting right away. It did have quite a bit of recoil for your first gun, but with the right recoil pad, it was'nt that bad. I only got scoped about 3 times....LOL...Luckily the Burris scope I put on, had a soft rubber eyepiece.

After that I bought a Rem 870 super mag, just because I needed it for Waterfowl. But I did buy a Ruger 10/22 next, and it did really fine tune my skills. Before I had the Ruger, I was a average shot. After a few bricks of .22lr ammo, I am better than 95% of my friends from my hunting party. Practise with a .22lr really helps, or atleast it sure did for me. The Ruger stopped my occasional flinching, and really helped me learned how to breathe properly.
 
Definitely .22. I have a Browning rifle and a Sig mosquito. No problem shooting Blazers, plus I can afford it. Inexpensive way to learn shooting correctly and safely without spending a lot. Got them both used.
 
I have a 10/22 and a Savage MKIIFV (synthetic stock, heavy barrel, no sights).

The 10/22 was my first rimfire AND my first firearm purchase. I had heard a lot of good things about it, but also the bad (mediocre accuracy, terrible trigger-pull) but I bought it anyway. I upgraded the trigger with the VQ2000 trigger group ($200.00) almost instantly, and this already made it into a better gun. It IS possible to get the trigger a lot better for a lot cheaper, but I wanted guaranteed results, and as it was my first firearm, I didn't have much gunsmithing experience to rely on. Next, I replaced the recoil buffer pin with a rubber one (like a Tuffer-Buffer), and replaced the extractor with a VQ extractor (harder metal, and sharper). I also bought a Hogue stock because I was worred about banging up the nice Walnut stock it came with (I splurged on the DSP model, a somewhat stupid move in hindsight). So with those upgrades, I had a .22 that ate anything without so much as a hiccup, and very serviceable, however I started to notice it was still a little lacking in the accuracy department. I now have a brand new DLASK 16" heavy barrel for it, I'm just waiting for my stock to show up, another Hogue, but with the .920 barrel channel instead of the standard barrel channel to accomodate the additional diameter of the target barrel. The jury's still out on accuracy, because I'm still waiting for the stock, but all in all, it'll finally be a very nice gun, albeit perhaps a little on the heavy side.

Prior to obtaining a new barrel for my 10/22, I also picked up the Savage MKII for a song (just a shade over $200.00 at wholesale sports during a sale). Straight out of the box, it has a beautiful trigger (accu-trigger) and the accuracy is astounding for such a bargain-rifle, much much better than the 10/22 was out of the box. The Savage will shoot cloverleafs at 50 yards, my 10/22 was closer to an inch at 50. I chose the heavy barrel as I knew I would scope it, but the standard barrel comes with iron sights, although fairly rudimentary. My only beef with the Savage is the synthetic stock and most likely the walnut stock has a comb that is too low for use with a scope. I believe the MKIIF and MKIIFV (sporter barrel and target barrel versions respectively) share the same synthetic stock, and the comb is best used with the iron sights on the moden MKIIF. The laminate stock is apparently better for scoping.

Piecing together my 10/22 and tinkering with it has been a lot of fun, but depending on your needs, it gets boring pretty quick in the standard configuration, with the terrible trigger pull (I swear mines was 8 lbs) and mediocre accuracy straight out of the box. If you're looking for a .22 to #### around with, a 10/22 isn't a bad choice.

If you're looking for one to really improve your skills, you don't want to be in the position of determining if it was you or the equipment; remove all doubt, and buy a good bolt, like the Savage, or better yet if you have the coin, a CZ in any of the offered configurations.
 
If you're looking for one to really improve your skills, you don't want to be in the position of determining if it was you or the equipment


lol
thats really the last thing I want on earth !
thank you for all your responses everyone
 
a savage or marlin .22lr bolt action will be cheap and accurate, therefore allowing you enough extra cash for a pile of ammo or better yet, a .303 brit to compliment it!
 
I have had a 10/22, Cooey 64 and a single shot Cooey 39. Then I bought a Marlin 39A that was more accurate than all of them. Shortly after that I bought myself a CZ452. Cheaper cousine of the BRNO and at $500 it was left handed too. Shoots better than I can and is a gorgeous little rifle. I could have saved myself a lot of money if I had just bought the CZ first. No safe queen that. Still I see a lot of Anschutz and BRNOs on the EE and any of those are tack drivers. You know you are doing good when you hit a grouse or rabbit in the head at distance. They are good hunting guns-just for smaller prey. Less meat spoiled that way too. Everybody you run into on this site owns 22s-I have 5 currently. Bolts will be accurate and reliable. Nothing more to say there.
 
I just finished my first year for being new moving onto second year hunter, bought already 4 rifles and a shotgun, trust me just get a .22lr you can shoot the most and they are super fun and you won't go broke, and i'll tell you right now you don't know how to shoot if your just starting it takes practice and lots of it, after get a Yugo SKS and buy miltary surplus 7.62x39mm which are AK-47 rounds, these are also cheap and will be the best next step to shooting centerfires, after that start in with your sniper rifles and shotguns
 
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