New to the sport/hobby, need advice picking my first rifle!

Why not try a Henry lever action? Affordable to purchase and shoot, and a fun and easy way to hone your skills. My Henry is still one of my favorite firearms in the safe.

Hrm, I've never used a lever action, other than a BB gun I once had. Still have. It no longer holds air when pumped, will one day try to fix it. Is there a forum on here that might be able to help me with that?

I digress.

I've always been drawn to the bolt action. If I had to choose one, I'd go bolt purely on that premise alone.
 
Alright, well aside from the idea of outright selling a .22 to never be replaced, I think what might be more likely would be to buy another and/or sell and buy a better one.

Now, I'll indulge the idea of investing more money in the initial purchase of a .22. My question to you sir is, what's the difference between a $200 rifle and a $600 rifle, both bolt action .22, no scope.

What does my money get me?

It will probably get you nicer wood, a better wood-to-metal fit, a nicer finish on the wood and the metal, perhaps a brand name with some snob appeal...all of which may or may not mean anything to you personally. It will likely mean a gun that feels like a serious gun, rather than a water pistol.

It will likely get you a better trigger (lighter, crisper, more consistent), although many inexpensive .22's like Savages have decent triggers out of the box. It may well get you more accuracy, but again, entry-level guns are often capable of excellent accuracy themselves.

What does more money get you when you buy a car? Lots of different things, some of which you may never be aware of until you get them! :)

Don't forget: getting into centerfire does not mean you need to sell your .22, but just getting another .22 doesn't mean that either. You're allowed to have more than one. I have a dozen or so, and they all have uses. Lever action .22's make nice understudies for lever centerfires...Ruger 10/22's are platforms that allow you to play around with modifications and add-ons...some are dedicated off-hand target guns or hunters or bench-rest shooters...different sight set-ups allow you to practice with open sights, or apertures, or scopes, or scout-scopes, or lasers, or red-dots, or...you get the picture.

edited to add: since you're counting votes, I'll throw another one in for the Marlin 795. Very inexpensive, stupidly accurate for the money, stone-axe reliable and durable. Negatives: not exciting to look at or hold, and fairly crappy trigger...but that just means that when you get a more "refined" gun later, you'll say "Ahhhhh....so that's what he meant!" I still shoot my 795 regularly, and enjoy it.
 
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It will probably get you nicer wood, a better wood-to-metal fit, a nicer finish on the wood and the metal, perhaps a brand name with some snob appeal...all of which may or may not mean anything to you personally. It will likely mean a gun that feels like a serious gun, rather than a water pistol.

It will likely get you a better trigger (lighter, crisper, more consistent), although many inexpensive .22's like Savages have decent triggers out of the box. It may well get you more accuracy, but again, entry-level guns are often capable of excellent accuracy themselves.

What does more money get you when you buy a car? Lots of different things, some of which you may never be aware of until you get them! :)

Don't forget: getting into centerfire does not mean you need to sell your .22, but just getting another .22 doesn't mean that either. You're allowed to have more than one. I have a dozen or so, and they all have uses. Lever action .22's make nice understudies for lever centerfires...Ruger 10/22's are platforms that allow you to play around with modifications and add-ons...some are dedicated off-hand target guns or hunters or bench-rest shooters...different sight set-ups allow you to practice with open sights, or apertures, or scopes, or scout-scopes, or lasers, or red-dots, or...you get the picture.


LOL. it's a fuzzy picture you paint sir, but yes, I get the idea. Thanks!

As far as the curb appeal of the gun, I'm not too concerned. If it's something like dressing up a Ford F150 as a Lincoln LT and selling it for more for the fit and finish, then I've never been that type of guy. The engine and brakes are all the same, and I'm good with that.


I think I'll go with the Marlin that the local store has in stock, and not look back.
I don't have any plans to sell it by any means. If it's as fun as everyone say it can be, I don't think the $100 I might sell it for is going to break me from buying something else :)

I've got a lot on the go but I'm not that hard up. If I was, I don't think I'd be getting in to this hobby. Some of you guys (read: junkies) seem to have quite the collection going! I hope to never get that far in, more recreational, but anything can happen. Got to plan ahead.
 
trigger locks and walmart soft case = $30. Get the 3 pack of master trigger locks so you have one key for multiple guns. Usually you won't be bringing more than 3 guns out with you and it gives you some grow room before you get the safe. Hard case is a nice to have but not necessary.

Stack On 8 gun safe = $100. These go on sale at CT or TSC a couple times a year. Wait it out. Just keep the rifle trigger locked in the rafters for the short term. The soft cases are nice because you can put the guns with trigger locks right in the safe saving you from "safe kisses" and a quick grab and go when taking them from the house. Double locking keeps the wife happy as well.

Federal Bulk 22 ammo is about $25 for 500+ rounds. CT or Walmart.

As per the 22 itself, I think a cooey is an excellent suggestion. Canadian nostalgia - kinda like the LE. The EE is a good place but you are close to the Paris Fair auctions. They have a spring action March 22. That's where I got my Cooey 60 for $108 all in. It's probably worth a few hours on a Saturday just for the experience and to move you up the learning curve. If you are looking new I'd suggest a Marlin 795. Semi is fun and a mag is nice for getting in and out of a vehicle, which happens a fair bit when hunting. They are also inexpensive.
 
trigger locks and walmart soft case = $30. Get the 3 pack of master trigger locks so you have one key for multiple guns. Usually you won't be bringing more than 3 guns out with you and it gives you some grow room before you get the safe. Hard case is a nice to have but not necessary.

Stack On 8 gun safe = $100. These go on sale at CT or TSC a couple times a year. Wait it out. Just keep the rifle trigger locked in the rafters for the short term. The soft cases are nice because you can put the guns with trigger locks right in the safe saving you from "safe kisses" and a quick grab and go when taking them from the house. Double locking keeps the wife happy as well.

Federal Bulk 22 ammo is about $25 for 500+ rounds. CT or Walmart.

As per the 22 itself, I think a cooey is an excellent suggestion. Canadian nostalgia - kinda like the LE. The EE is a good place but you are close to the Paris Fair auctions. They have a spring action March 22. That's where I got my Cooey 60 for $108 all in. It's probably worth a few hours on a Saturday just for the experience and to move you up the learning curve. If you are looking new I'd suggest a Marlin 795. Semi is fun and a mag is nice for getting in and out of a vehicle, which happens a fair bit when hunting. They are also inexpensive.


Being in Brantford, it's just a stones throw from the HAHA shooting club. Check it out...25-100yrd outdoor shooting range.


Thanks guys. Some great info!
 
The soft cases are nice because you can put the guns with trigger locks right in the safe saving you from "safe kisses" and a quick grab and go when taking them from the house.

A lot of good practical advice in this post, EXCEPT this part^. A soft case is a bad idea for long term storage...way too easy for a small amount of moisture to make its way in and cause rust. Saying that it's never happened to you is like saying that you've never missed while hunting...it's only a matter of time.
 
Wow guys, how come the first 5 posts don't say ruger 10/22????


We all know this is the best .22lr and offers most replaceable peices, and upgrades, including 25 round mags...


Don't do this guy a dis-service, and suggest to him the one and only best starting rifle, You will start with a ruger 10/22, and you will probally be your last rifle you shoot too

you can never out grow it, cheap to shoot, plentyful, and the thing doesnt jam... you want to look at functionality over aesthetics
 
Wow guys, how come the first 5 posts don't say ruger 10/22????


We all know this is the best .22lr and offers most replaceable peices, and upgrades, including 25 round mags...


Don't do this guy a dis-service, and suggest to him the one and only best starting rifle, You will start with a ruger 10/22, and you will probally be your last rifle you shoot too

you can never out grow it, cheap to shoot, plentyful, and the thing doesnt jam... you want to look at functionality over aesthetics

While i am a fan of my 10/22, as a first rifle to learn aiming, trigger control, etc i never recommend a 10/22. Semis with 25 round mags make it too tempting to just dump the mag down range for some people, so for a first rifle i always recommend something that takes some thought and effort to fire once, so you're more likely to make each shot count.

Now as a second or third "fun" gun, 10/22, sks, etc are pretty high up on my list.
 
I bought a flintlock as a first can you believe that? Just because I didn’t need a PAL to get one…man..learned a ton with that rifle. When I got my PAL I was torn between a savage MK2 and a 10/22…decided on the 10/22 because I wanted a fast shooting rifle that could be customized, and well as far as customization goes, the 10/22 is up there..ended up dumping close to 2k in it, and although I just love it now, I can’t help but think that I should have maybe gone for the MK2. For the reasons dand883 mentioned above and the fact that the MK2 is a absolutely fantastic rifle, go to a dealer and pick one up, read the reviews see for yourself. I was looking at the TRR-SR more specifically but any MK11 would fit your needs perfectly and there is a reason why the .22lr is so loved…you just need one I think. Welcome!
 
I bought a flintlock as a first can you believe that? Just because I didn’t need a PAL to get one…man..learned a ton with that rifle. When I got my PAL I was torn between a savage MK2 and a 10/22…decided on the 10/22 because I wanted a fast shooting rifle that could be customized, and well as far as customization goes, the 10/22 is up there..ended up dumping close to 2k in it, and although I just love it now, I can’t help but think that I should have maybe gone for the MK2. For the reasons dand883 mentioned above and the fact that the MK2 is a absolutely fantastic rifle, go to a dealer and pick one up, read the reviews see for yourself. I was looking at the TRR-SR more specifically but any MK11 would fit your needs perfectly and there is a reason why the .22lr is so loved…you just need one I think. Welcome!

So what would be the primary difference between the Savage MKII and the Marlin XT in terms of performance.
Let's assume I\m not going to do much in the way of modification, other than probably mount a scope at some point.
 
Wow guys, how come the first 5 posts don't say ruger 10/22????


We all know this is the best .22lr and offers most replaceable peices, and upgrades, including 25 round mags...


Don't do this guy a dis-service, and suggest to him the one and only best starting rifle, You will start with a ruger 10/22, and you will probally be your last rifle you shoot too

you can never out grow it, cheap to shoot, plentyful, and the thing doesnt jam... you want to look at functionality over aesthetics

dand883 put a lot of it into perspective. I would never recommend a semi-auto as a "first" rifle. You can develop a lot of bad habits that way.

I've been shooting since very young, more than 30 years ago. Always had plenty of access to whatever I wanted to shoot, and got kinda lazy about bothering to get my permits and my own equipment until last year.

When I did decide to finally "go legit" - I put a lot of thought into it from the perspective of someone who's done a lot of shooting over the years, but now that it comes time to buy my own equipment, I want to put the money where it counts, and make sure I get some pride and joy out of what's in the gun cabinet.

I spent the better part of 4 months waiting for the Redcoats to get off their lazy butts and process my app, so I spent that time getting some trigger time in, every single weekend, and really thinking about what I was doing and trying to get out of it. I was lucky because there are so many rifles kicking around the extended family, that I got to shoot a really wide spectrum of types/quality of gear (the 10/22, which will always be a favourite, among them). Old Cooey's, Savages, Remingtons, some newer gear, including a Henry Golden Boy, and on and on...

What I ended up realizing was there was one rifle I kept going back to when I really wanted to do some work on the Gophers and not get frustrated by circling the little turds with puffs of dirt in the air. It was a late 50s vintage Remington Matchmaster 513t with a 4x scope. If you've ever handled one, you know it's a 10ton tank to haul around the field. It's heavy, way overbalanced towards the front, and takes a commitment to hold up and fire off the shoulder, it comes in at close to 9lbs. That may not sound heavy, but wander around the prairie with it for hours on end and keep it steady in a wing shoot hold long enough to sight in and pull the trigger on a gopher 70 yards off - and do that 70-100 times a day. It's a workout.

So given the disadvantages of it, why the heck did I keep going back to it? Easy: Accuracy. I knew that if I put the cross-hairs on a target and pulled the trigger, that gopher was going down. I could do that consistently at ranges that just weren't possible with any of the other .22s I was shooting.

So when I finally got my permits in the mail, that's what informed my buying decision. I bough a rifle that's known for it's accuracy, but has better balance and less weight on it than the old Matchmaster, put a good quality scope on it, and a nice sling. And that's where the $$ goes on a great rifle, as opposed to a good rifle. A great rifle will be balanced, have a nice trigger, a reasonable weight, feel comfortable in your shoulder pocket, and be accurate as all get out. Getting all those things together in one rifle is not going to be a $300 or even $400 rifle... It's going to be a $500-$600 rifle before you even put a scope on it. For me it was a CZ-452 Lux (among the last of the 452s to come into Canada as everything switched to the 455).

I don't regret for a second spending the $$... I've since picked up a 10/22 (because, hey, they're damn fun), an older "beater - project" .22, and a few other rifles in different calibres. Whatever. But I absolutely treasure that CZ, I baby it, and I shoot it, a lot. I'll keep it in good trim and I know, without a doubt, it will be the last rifle I let go of when i get too old to shoot anymore - and it will get passed on to my daughter, not sold at a gun show or whatever.

I'm not going to say "Buy a CZ..." There are other guns in the same price range at the same quality level. Just think about what "your first gun" is going to mean to you, how you're going to use it, and are you going to be proud to pass it on to your kids and say "this was my first gun."
 
Welcome to the sport! You will never own just one .22, but to start and gain knowledge in how to shoot a .22 bolt will slow you down in your actions and make you a better shot. I like the old cooeys. A model 39 or 60. Accurate and cheap. $100-$150. The EE here has them for sale all the time. As for resale of a firearm there is not often a loss in value. More times a gain in value over time.( like your Enfield) So if you did sell a rifle off don't expect a loss. Unless you want to sell to me for half what you paid! Lol! I like the wood stock quality rifles over plastic. They look and feel more substantial. A little extra weight eats any recoil.

As for cases and cabinets- don't waste your money on a locking transport case, a trigger lock and $10 gun case is legal in your trunk or back seat. Cabinets go on sale at canadiantire all the time for $75-$99 for stack on cabinets. Will keep the kids out. I know you just did your pal and they put the fear of the law in you. You don't have to go overboard to be safe and legal.

Once you take the next step from .22 have a look at milsurps. Cheap and fun larger calibres. (becoming more costly) They have a lot of history though.

The EE is a good source of used firearms. No tax either. Sometimes firearm auctions can be a good source. Just remember the house takes a cut on top of final bid and then tax.

Well as a newly licensed shooter a couple years back that would be the pearls of wisdom I learned or would change.
 
Get yourself a Cooey 39 in 22lr, and a Cooey 84 in .410. I would expect more Canadians learned to shoot on those guns than any others :)

I learned on a Savage 99 .308 which lead to a boat load of bad habits. I've since corrected those but it took ammo and range time.

Bolt action is the way to go. With kids I would say a single shot. I have owned various 22 lr's and have stuck with my Winchester 490 (semi), MK II, and Cooey 75. Of the three the Savage is by far my favourite. I plink with the savage, hunt grouse and such with the 490 (with irons), and kill small vermin at my cottage with the 75.

For bolt guns? I don't think there is a poor one made today.

New

Marlin XT (optional tube mag which is awesome)
Savage MK II
CZ (a little more dough but very nice)
Norinco (NS522 is pretty sweet)


Used

Cooey 39 (single shot)
Cooey 75 (single shot)
Cooey 60 (repeater)
Mossberg (they made a TON of excellent bolt guns)
CZ/BRNO
Marlin XT (they were referred to something before that)
Savage MKII and other older bolt gun offerings
Remington made a bunch
CIL
Winchester
Lakefield MK II

All of those are good starting bolt guns. You will love any of them
 
So what would be the primary difference between the Savage MKII and the Marlin XT in terms of performance.
Let's assume I\m not going to do much in the way of modification, other than probably mount a scope at some point.

I'm afraid i cant answer you on that one because i dont know about the Marlin xt but a very quick google search gave me several hits ie this one
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=11&t=401800
and this one
http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/rimfire/39133-22lr-trainer-savage-mkii-vs-marlin-xt-22-a.html

But you can read and read...and still not decide...sometime you just have to go for it.
 
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