New transfer rule

zelly said:
Any idea on how the new rules will effect your rifles …?
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I don't understand what you are asking.
All of our semi auto rifles and receiver sets are still under a cease and desist order thanks to the unlawful changes to their FRT's and a gross over reach by the EX Alberta CFO.
Our bolt actions are under the same rules as every other bolt action, with the back door registry on May 18 2022
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
I don't understand what you are asking.
All of our semi auto rifles and receiver sets are still under a cease and desist order thanks to the unlawful changes to their FRT's and a gross over reach by the EX Alberta CFO.
Our bolt actions are under the same rules as every other bolt action, with the back door registry on May 18 2022
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I mean let’s say someone owns one. They want to sell it. It’s not on the oic it’s prohibited on the frt (which isint law but has yet to be tested ). If I phoned in to do a transfer……. Oh wait. Just as I was writing this I answered my own question….. you don’t have to provide the firearms details do you….
 
zelly said:
I mean let’s say someone owns one. They want to sell it. It’s not on the oic it’s prohibited on the frt (which isint law but has yet to be tested ). If I phoned in to do a transfer……. Oh wait. Just as I was writing this I answered my own question….. you don’t have to provide the firearms details do you….
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I don't have an answer, as the feds have been far less than transparent (big shock) and I don't give legal advice.
What I can see is that this new B.S. is a way for them to gather info on firearms that they have no clue exist nor with whom.
 
zelly said:
I mean let’s say someone owns one. They want to sell it. It’s not on the oic it’s prohibited on the frt (which isint law but has yet to be tested ). If I phoned in to do a transfer……. Oh wait. Just as I was writing this I answered my own question….. you don’t have to provide the firearms details do you….
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You do not have to inform the RCMP the specific make and model of the NR firearm you are transferring.

All you say is: I am transferring a NR firearm. Check this license. Give me the ref number.

Nothing more.
 
The_Red_Rabbit said:
You do not have to inform the RCMP the specific make and model of the NR firearm you are transferring.

All you say is: I am transferring a NR firearm. Check this license. Give me the ref number.

Nothing more.
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I hope you're right, but I wouldn't be surprised if they ask more or if they change this in the near future.
 
The_Red_Rabbit said:
You do not have to inform the RCMP the specific make and model of the NR firearm you are transferring.

All you say is: I am transferring a NR firearm. Check this license. Give me the ref number.

Nothing more.
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Is a step to this that I do not understand - for private sales - so far as I know the "authorities" have no record of where is any Non-Restricted firearms, nor who owns them - except for those in inventory at a retailer. So, if I wanted to sell one that I have owned for a few years, why would I phone the RCMP / CFO to get permission to do so?? I already have to verify that I have no reason to believe that the buyer is not "allowed" to own such a thing - normally have been simply looking whether they have a PAL card or not, and I have shown mine multiple times so other private sellers are doing the same - what, exactly, is being "transferred", if they do not know what and where and to whom it belongs, now??

It seems that declaring that you want to "transfer" ownership - first, you had to somehow declare ownership of it?? Seems a bit odd, to me, for private sales of non-restricted firearms.

Perhaps these new regulation is saying that the PAL card is worthless - has no purpose / no value - to confirm that the receiver is allowed to own that firearm, have to verify, every time, with the RCMP/CFO - is that what is being done?
 
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The_Red_Rabbit said:
You do not have to inform the RCMP the specific make and model of the NR firearm you are transferring.
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ravenzoom said:
I hope you're right, but I wouldn't be surprised if they ask more or if they change this in the near future.
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goldsince2k said:
Any reference there? that would be dream come true not having to provide every little detail
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I don't understand how this is still a question, it has been explictly stated in every single communication that has been sent out. From the government. From the CFOs. From the lawyers that have analysed the new regs.

From Ed Burlew, lawyer specializing in firearms law:
There is no obligation and it is discouraged for any transferor or transferee to inform the CFC or CFO of the details of the firearm. The CFC/CFO will only be concerned with the validity of the licenses.
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Potashminer said:
Perhaps these new regulation is saying that the PAL card is worthless - has no purpose / no value - to confirm that the receiver is allowed to own that firearm, have to verify, every time, with the RCMP/CFO - is that what is being done?
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Essentially, yes. This step is being added because somebody has decided that simple possession of a plastic card is not a reliable indicator the holder is okay to possess firearms. So they make you call to verify the license is still good. And they give you a reference number to prove that you made the call.

What is really being transferred is liability for determining the card holder is really a licensed gun owner, from you, to the government.

I understand the government is not our friend, and everything they do should be scrutinized with caution and distrust, but really, all these hysterics over such a small change is pretty ridiculous, and more than a little tiresome.
 
Hrsplit said:
till you sell to a cop that wants to make a name for himself or a Karen
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i wouldn't worry to much about it,,law enforcement have stated many times that they dont have time or resources to chase down a NON problem,
this little fluff legislation is about one thing only, appease the liberal anti gun nazis,as long as those idiots THINK something is being done,they think they won something big,but really nothing much has changed,and not much time will be spent worrying about it.
 
Yesterday I asked one of the "information officer" from RCMP firearm program about this when I verified a buyer's PAL. She said no firearm information is needed, only the buyer's PAL number and RCMP will issue a reference number which valid for 90 days. She also said we don't need to retain the reference number or the buyer's information. Then I don't see a point for the reference number.
 
Just came up:

Licence Verification for Non-Restricted Firearms Transfer New

This section allows you to perform the licence verification check required by Section 23 of the Firearms Act; the Firearms Licences Regulations; and the Conditions of Transferring Firearms and Other Weapons Regulations as part of the transfer of one or more Non-Restricted firearms. Click the button below to verify the validity of the firearm licence of an individual or business to whom you wish to transfer a non-restricted firearm.


If you already have one or more non-restricted firearms transfer(s), click here to view or print the associated transfer notice(s).

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