New US Customs rules regarding shipping Antique parts out of the USA

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I wonder if others here have noticed any new US Customs restrictions regarding shipping parts for Antique firearms?

I recently was trying to get a replacement cylinder for a antique French M1873 revolver for another friends M1873 that needed it sent up from a guy who I have dealt with before and who is a very solid guy and seller. He gets them and other parts for these revolver direct from contacts in France. He has sent others before into Canada as recently as October 2015 without incident but had my recent ordered one held by US Customs since mid November.

Just recently after he began asking USPS why was it being held for the last 2 months at US Customs (Customs would not discuss it with him direct) and then putting in a Insurance claim for it he got a visit from Homeland Security.

This is his reply back to me -

Well, I don't know if the events of today qualify as the "light a fire under US Customs" as we had hoped for, but it did light a fire.

I was visited today by 2 agents of the US Immigration, Customs Enforcement division of the Department of Homeland Security concerning the M1873 cylinder.

It seems that my attempt to send this to you has violated some new regulations here in the US concerning the "export of weapons of war", which is in actual fact any and all firearms parts. These regulations have apparently only recently come into effect or the previous cylinder I sent to Canada just slipped through un-noticed.

In any case, I have a full interview with the DHS on Tuesday concerning this affair, todays visit was just the invitation. I was informed that I am not facing any charges yet, but likely will face a fine in compliance with the mandatory procedures in this case, hence the sit down on Tuesday.

The fact that I was unaware of these new rulings and regulations is not considered an excuse, but I will plead that the Postmaster should clearly have known about it, since the Post office read and processed the Customs form. Hopefully that will get me out of the fine, but I doubt it.

I did ask, if in the end would I be able to get the offending cylinder back, so as not to suffer a total loss, after the fine that I will have to pay for violating the law, and was told that, I could "possibly" get it back from US Customs, but that it might take a couple of months.

So, in short, this also places the matter of sending you any further parts, such as the trigger springs, are out of the question.

Apparently, antique revolver parts are the weapons of choice of the Islamic terrorists and other radical factions on this earth.

I did explain the antique status of the cylinder, and it was clearly indicated on the Postal Customs form. I do not know if it was physically examined or not, and hope to find out more detail on Tuesday.

I figure that my previous shipments and those of others have slipped by if the regulations have been in effect for any period of time OR, they are just starting to crack down on this, because of the hysteria being generated here for the elections and our socialist president to disarm US citizens even more thoroughly than you Canadians.

I can tell you that the agents I spoke with were fully aware of it's antique status, which leads me to think that they are just being a**holes about this. Here in the US, agents in bureaus like Customs, BATFE, IRS etc., make points by developing cases whether or not they have merit.


 
This is not a new rule. Major Antique parts (Barrel cylinder etc) are considered gun parts the same as a cylinder on a Colt Python or the barrel on an AR-15 and are subject to export control. You can ship a legally declared antique gun from the US to Canada that contains a barrel and Cylinder and thats fine. Or you can ship a properly declared antique frame to Canada with no barrel and Cylinder. Send the parts separate from the gun with out export paperwork and its a big no no.

Steve
 
This is not a new rule. Major Antique parts (Barrel cylinder etc) are considered gun parts the same as a cylinder on a Colt Python or the barrel on an AR-15 and are subject to export control. You can ship a legally declared antique gun from the US to Canada that contains a barrel and Cylinder and thats fine. Or you can ship a properly declared antique frame to Canada with no barrel and Cylinder. Send the parts separate from the gun with out export paperwork and its a big no no.

Steve

That make a lot of sense, a complete and usable antique firearm is far less of a concern than those couple of individual parts for a revolver last made in any version since about 1888.
 
That make a lot of sense, a complete and usable antique firearm is far less of a concern than those couple of individual parts for a revolver last made in any version since about 1888.

I hear you brother. When I first ran into this (over 5 years ago before I involved with IRG) I was pretty dumbfounded by it as well.

Steve
 
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I guess what I should have done was ship him the revolver minus it's missing cylinder and he could have installed it and shipped it back as a complete antique revolver and all would have been good.

Boy this is a crazy law.
 
I never understood the export restrictions in the USA. You would think they would be excited to get that stuff out of the country..... :/
 
I was told by a major US auction company that used to ship antique firearms via USPS or various courier services to Canada with no problem, that recent regulations from the Dept. of Homeland Security now requires them to ship all antique firearms to destinations outside the US, via a licensed exporter. Good news for the Irunguns boys.

Regards,
Powderman
 
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I was told by a major US auction company that used to ship antique firearms via USPS or various courier services to Canada with no problem, that recent regulations from the Dept. of Homeland Security now requires them to ship all antique firearms to destinations outside the US, via a licensed exporter. Good news for the Irunguns boys.

Regards,
Powder man

AFAIK this is not the case.. do you have any documents or links to show this. We have not recieved any information from DHS. If that is the case it may be good news for importers but not for the antique collector community. Before I was with IRUNGUNS imported a lot of antiques myself and a $200 plus import fee that is not necessary would have curtailed a lot of my purchases..

Steve
 
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Its reading stuff like this that makes you wish we where taken over and become part of the US. That way a lot of these dumb rules wouldn't apply, and the NDP & Libs wouldn't be a pain in our butts.
 
For your amusement, here is an email I received 15 March 2015:

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Thank you for your bids.



I just wanted to let you know, Homeland Security has changed the laws
with regard to shipping firearms (to include antiques) internationally.
From this point forward, any firearms purchases (modern or antique) made
through Amoskeag Auction will need to be shipped to a licensed exporter
within the U.S. for transfer.



Thank you.



Warm Regards,



Cassie Penn

Amoskeag Auction Co., Inc.

603-627-7383
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I don't know if this applies to just a business or if it also includes individuals. Compliance appears to be spotty.

Regards,
Powderman
 
Probably a dumb question, but what does the usa have to do with a part being shipped from France to Canada? (I am guessing that maybe it was shipped through the States then they added the rule because it landed there first?) Wouldn't the avenues it has to go through is France - Canada regulations?
 
Probably a dumb question, but what does the usa have to do with a part being shipped from France to Canada? (I am guessing that maybe it was shipped through the States then they added the rule because it landed there first?) Wouldn't the avenues it has to go through is France - Canada regulations?

The guy I was getting it from first ordered it through his contact in France, and then was forwarding onto Canada, he was also buying antique guns and selling them to French collectors but thinks he will have to stop that too after what the DHS agents told him.
 
Homeland security cant change any laws. Only the United States Congress can change law. This does not matter what the POTUS says or does with his pen or phone. I would not worry too much about it if I were you. DO NOT PAY THE FINE. Go to court and let a judge decide if the law is valid or not. Homeland security is staffed by a bunch of constitutional trampling thugs that think they can do any damn thing, make any law, trample any right and arrest any one for anything thing.
 
Homeland security cant change any laws. Only the United States Congress can change law. This does not matter what the POTUS says or does with his pen or phone. I would not worry too much about it if I were you. DO NOT PAY THE FINE. Go to court and let a judge decide if the law is valid or not. Homeland security is staffed by a bunch of constitutional trampling thugs that think they can do any damn thing, make any law, trample any right and arrest any one for anything thing.

Yes but they can bankrupt the guy and make his life a living nightmare. most Americans that I have dealt with when it comes to US customs or HLS coming after them there scared to death.
I seen it a few times. the problem is they customs "interpret" the laws the way they see fit. make no mistake they can and will make your life a nightmare.

Something is up to as I have had a pre 1898 Antique DA colt in USA customs since the 13th Jan and it was shipped from a dealer FFL with antique status proof everything done as always in the past.
I will know in the next two weeks or so if there is really a change.
 
Homeland security cant change any laws. Only the United States Congress can change law. This does not matter what the POTUS says or does with his pen or phone. I would not worry too much about it if I were you. DO NOT PAY THE FINE. Go to court and let a judge decide if the law is valid or not. Homeland security is staffed by a bunch of constitutional trampling thugs that think they can do any damn thing, make any law, trample any right and arrest any one for anything thing.

Actually Obama has changed lots of laws without Congress by issuing Executive Actions.
 
I purchased through two different auction houses, two antique rifles. One in December '15, and one in Jan '16. Both were shipped USPS. One was opened by customs, the other was not.
 
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