new vs used vs like new

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i'm looking to pick up a 30.06 and was planing on the T/C venture but came across a used Remington 700 BDL while out today and can't make up my mind.

the venture is brand new, $500-$550 before taxes, guaranteed 1"@100yards

the Remington is used, stock is marked up but bluing is in good shape, bore looks good and bolt feels tight, $400-$450 area.

i like the look of wood on a gun, but it hurts every time i put a scratch on it so that's why i was looking at a synthetic stock, but this BDL already has some marks on it.

also i might have a line on a late 90's built ruger M77 in 30.06 with a cheapy scope for $600-$650 that is supposedly in mint condition.

i like the removable magazine and that is kinda what is keeping me away from the ruger, but with the BDL i can get the kit to change from the floor plate to a mag for a bit more then $100


i know it's mostly rambling but any thoughts?
 
Every scratch and ding is a notch on your belt: the memory of another adventure.

Take reasonable care and both you and the gun will grow old and grizzled together.
 
I have a stack of gun magazines in the bathroom. One of those is an issue of "The Complete Rifleman" It has a pretty in depth and favourable review on the TC...might be worth giving it a try. No you cannot borrow the magazine...it is most definitely "Flagged" :p
 
I'd take the BDL over the Venture, but that's me. I've handled both, and wasn't overly impressed with the TC. I read a couple reviews on the Ventures, and for the most part they were favorable. One review stated the rife he tested(06 I think) didn't feed properly. The one I handled had quite a gritty bolt, but perhaps a good cleaning would take care of that.
 
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I had a buddy who had a Encore in .30-06. He got it 'cuz it looked cool. However, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. After missing his third deer with it this September, he decided to flog it to someone else. He mentioned to me that he was having trouble and I told him to bring it over and we could go to the range. I already knew what the problem was. So he brought it over, we went to the range, and I watched him shoot it. Like me, he was unable to shoot the thing right. I am 6'1", he is 6'2". Length of pull is extremely short it seems on the TC's. Also, he had mounted a 40mm scope on it and the line of sight was too high.
I slid on a slip on recoil pad with and additional 1/2" Kick-eez insert and also installed a slip-on comb. When he shouldered it the next time, it came right in line, had a much better cheek weld, and his groups went from 8" to 1". Of course this was only a one time thing...or was it.
With an appropriate length of pull, and a raised comb, this rifle will shoot well. Without it, it sucks. Again, not knocking the rifle, just its design. Most .30-06's will be scoped today, build it that way, or offer a choice.
Just saying, be careful is all. If you are a larger guy, go for a longer length of pull, and if you are a scope hunter, then don't put anything larger than a 32mm on it, unless you pick a rifle with a raised /monte carlo style stock.
BTW, he still sold it even though we could have fixed it. He actually traded it on a .300Win Mag. GAG!!
 
Browsing the EE I saw this ad and thought of the O.P.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=536159

I think 500$ shipped is a wicked deal for this package. .270 is a better cal than 30.06 anyways! :nest:
I have absolutely no ties to the seller.
 
Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
Browsing the EE I saw this ad and thought of the O.P.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=536159

I think 500$ shipped is a wicked deal for this package. .270 is a better cal than 30.06 anyways! :nest:
I have absolutely no ties to the seller.
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thats an add for a .308 :),

i have been trying to decide between the .270 or 30.06, i like them both and if i can find the right rifle in either caliber i will pick it up :cheers:
 
rookie wildcat said:
I had a buddy who had a Encore in .30-06. He got it 'cuz it looked cool. However, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. After missing his third deer with it this September, he decided to flog it to someone else. He mentioned to me that he was having trouble and I told him to bring it over and we could go to the range. I already knew what the problem was. So he brought it over, we went to the range, and I watched him shoot it. Like me, he was unable to shoot the thing right. I am 6'1", he is 6'2". Length of pull is extremely short it seems on the TC's.
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i noticed it was shorter then a savage, i was test fitting at a local shop and found the savage to be too far away where the T/C was closer, and felt a lot more comfortable to me.
 
How about a Husky with a commercial FN action. Tradex stock on them is low, but keep checking, this one needs a little stock attention and then you have a keeper.

http://www.shop.tradeexcanada.com/content/13637-husqvarna-commercial-fn98-30-06

Another one to keep an eye open for is a JC Higgins model 50 with the chrome lined barrel, also an FN action.

Both guns are bargains by todays standards and the guns are far better quality than the options you have listed. Don't let their age fool you, these guns are every bit as good as todays stuff and in most respects better.
 
rookie wildcat said:
I had a buddy who had a Encore in .30-06. He got it 'cuz it looked cool. However, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. After missing his third deer with it this September, he decided to flog it to someone else. He mentioned to me that he was having trouble and I told him to bring it over and we could go to the range. I already knew what the problem was. So he brought it over, we went to the range, and I watched him shoot it. Like me, he was unable to shoot the thing right. I am 6'1", he is 6'2". Length of pull is extremely short it seems on the TC's. Also, he had mounted a 40mm scope on it and the line of sight was too high.
I slid on a slip on recoil pad with and additional 1/2" Kick-eez insert and also installed a slip-on comb. When he shouldered it the next time, it came right in line, had a much better cheek weld, and his groups went from 8" to 1". Of course this was only a one time thing...or was it.
With an appropriate length of pull, and a raised comb, this rifle will shoot well. Without it, it sucks. Again, not knocking the rifle, just its design.
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Meh. I can hold into 3" off hand with the rifle at 55 yards, 4-12x40mm AO mounted. That's about as good as I can do with the Rem 700.

LOP is 14 3/4" for wood and an even 14" for synthetic. I measure a 14" LOP on the 700 BDL. No difference. The problem is that you big galoots need bigger stocks. :D
 
I'd probably lean towards the BDL... Why...? Because I like a cheekrest on a rifle. I find that it keeps my head more in line with the scope and the target. I've always found that rifles that don't have cheekrests are not as comfortable as rifles tha have a cheekrest. IMHO I find that a rifle lacking a cheekrest results in having one's neck cranked over to the side more then I fell comfortable with, which for me, results in having a slight angular change in the position of how the eye sees the target. For some this may not be big problem, but this is something that I have found out about my own preferences.

Also, If you do get the BDL ask the owner what load he/she found worked well in the rifle. It will save you some cash where you won't have to buy a lot of ammo to find out what works well in that particular rifle. Also, to be on the safe side, I would have a gunsmith check the trigger and firing mechanism out. It has been reported that some Remingtons have some issues that need to be addressed to ensure that one has a gun that is reliable, safe and works to the intended design.
 
well i went and bought the venture today, gave some thought to the bdl and talked myself out of it, mostly due to the shape of the stock. I reasoned that if the stock was taken care of like that then the whole rifle might have been neglected as well......basically decided having new was a better option then used.

so i picked up my new T/C in 30.06, put some weaver rings and a vortex diamond back 4-12x40 scope on it, all said and done very happy. Dad called and wanted to go for coffee so i went and met him, while were having coffee a friend of his calls and tells him that he has 2 Remingtons for sale (dad's been looking for used guns for me) a .243 and a .300win mag that's scoped. both come with case's and i can buy them for a damn good price :redface: of course it's right after i buy something new......so i might just have to buy these too because the price is just too good. :cheers:
 
gerber said:
well i went and bought the venture today, gave some thought to the bdl and talked myself out of it, mostly due to the shape of the stock. I reasoned that if the stock was taken care of like that then the whole rifle might have been neglected as well......basically decided having new was a better option then used.

so i picked up my new T/C in 30.06, put some weaver rings and a vortex diamond back 4-12x40 scope on it, all said and done very happy. Dad called and wanted to go for coffee so i went and met him, while were having coffee a friend of his calls and tells him that he has 2 Remingtons for sale (dad's been looking for used guns for me) a .243 and a .300win mag that's scoped. both come with case's and i can buy them for a damn good price :redface: of course it's right after i buy something new......so i might just have to buy these too because the price is just too good. :cheers:
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Good for you...I especially like hearing you went with Vortex glass. I have had a couple of their scopes and I do believe they will be a force to be reckoned with in the optics world in the near future. Awesome glass for the money.
As for the Venture please give us a range report ASAP.
 
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