My very first time ever shooting my own gun was this rifle and I managed to put a few 2-3 inch groups from 50 yards in the sitting position. No Bench, no prone, just elbows and ass. I can't see how a bit of magnification wouldn't drastically improve on those results which for my uses are perfectly acceptable.
New XCR-L Keymod & Light Barrel Range Report?
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Exactly and well said!
People get upset when someone posts what they experienced with an actual test.
The XCR-L actually shot better for me off the mag in prone then on a bench rest.
Results will vary from shooter to shooter...
As I said above I know their is a detailed a range report at 100m from "Brobbi"??
I experienced similar results as he did for the XCR-L
2-3" at 50 yards with anything is horrendous.
Don't expect them to shoot any better than the old ones until Rob Arms addresses their crappy barrel retention system. It is the biggest flaw in the design when it comes to accuracy.
Don't get me wrong, I like the rifle but don't buy one if you expect MOA accuracy from one. You may be able to cherry pick a group now and then and/or take one shot every 5 min so the barrel stays cool but that's not what the rifle was designed to do, it was designed as a battle rifle not a DMR so just enjoy it for what it is and don't worry about what it's not.
Don't get me wrong, I like the rifle but don't buy one if you expect MOA accuracy from one. You may be able to cherry pick a group now and then and/or take one shot every 5 min so the barrel stays cool but that's not what the rifle was designed to do, it was designed as a battle rifle not a DMR so just enjoy it for what it is and don't worry about what it's not.
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Well considering I have absolutely no experience even shooting firearms and I was sighting it in, I'd say that's not bad. If you can shoot inside 2 inches from 50 yards using iron sights without a bench, go for it.
I've shot a couple M's and neither one was MOA. The best honest results I've seen so far are from my buddy with his handloads doing about 1.5moa. This is pretty good and I doubt many people will get much better.
If you expect them to do even remotely close to 2MOA then forget about using anything but handloads or match grade ammo which can get really expensive when feeding a semi auto 308.
I'd like to see Wolverine's results and know how they got them. If they need to take one shot every 5 minutes to make sure everything stays cool then it's garbage. This is a semi auto, if it can't string 10 shots together and not have them wander all over the place as the temperature of the parts changes then it isn't capable of MOA IMHO.
I don't expect rifles like this or any other battle rifle to do MOA or sub MOA other than a higher end AR but they have a much better design. I am not disappointed that they don't shoot MOA because I never expected them to do it. It's a good rifle and does exactly as it was designed to do. Enjoy it and don't have unrealistic expectations and you won't be disappointed.
Go to post 24 above and follow the link. In that thread go to post 42. The link in that post is the range report.
Please post it here - my tablet hates me
J
Here you go
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/707886-Testing-the-XCR-M
To bad they didn't give much detail on how the groups were shot. Like I said earlier, if they wait 5 min between shots to make sure nothing heats up those groups don't mean much to me. Plus, I really doubt many people can afford to shoot Federal Gold Match very much so the majority of the groups people will realistically get are going to be 2-4moa depending what ammo they use and what scope they mount.
My buddy with his 1.5moa groups is getting what I would consider realistic real world accuracy from this platform. Even though he had to use handloads to do it at least I know he shoots it like a semi auto and doesn't let it sit and cool between shots. He has a Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x50 scope on it and got those results shooting from a rest (front and rear) off the table. His results are good enough for me and I think very reasonable.
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Sitting position at 50 yards should be a 2" maximum with anything short of a shotgun. There are good results for a beginner but I would be posting them as a benchmark or proof of the accuracy of any firearm.
In short, 50 yards is for pistols and throwing rocks, not rifles.
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That's far better shooting than I would have ever expected possible. Thanks for the smack down
I wasn't really meaning it as a benchmark for the rifle. I was just trying to say that for my purposes, if I can shoot the bottom of a soup can at 50 yards with iron sights, the rifle more than meets my desires for accuracy. I'm sure things will change quickly as I shoot more however.
They really would be a decent rifle if they'd pull their heads out of their butts and address the goofy barrel retention.
It's hard to believe that anybody that has even a very basic understanding of barrel harmonics figured it'd be a good idea to use a pinch bolt for securing the barrel and have it double as a recoil lug too.
It's hard to believe that anybody that has even a very basic understanding of barrel harmonics figured it'd be a good idea to use a pinch bolt for securing the barrel and have it double as a recoil lug too.
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