anmogamdilx
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- Northwest BC coast
I was also told that the 7mm Rem Mag is one of the best all around cartridges
newb 30-06 vs 308 vs 300wm?
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Its as good as all the other very similar good ones lol
99% of the time that could be a 270 win, 280 Rem, 30-06, 7mm-08 etc or a 300 WM with a bit more recoil and I bet it wouldn't matter for ya...but if you need it you need it! The rest of the time it won't let ya down anyway.
99% of the time that could be a 270 win, 280 Rem, 30-06, 7mm-08 etc or a 300 WM with a bit more recoil and I bet it wouldn't matter for ya...but if you need it you need it! The rest of the time it won't let ya down anyway.
billbmcleod
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- Back very close to Bruce County
I used a '06 for a lot of years and was great for deer, moose and bear but then the years added up and now I use a 7mm-08 as it is fun to shoot for my older body. I would still hunt with the '06 but after 5 shots at the range I have had enough. I have never fired a 300 Win mag but I have shot a 300 WSM and it was close to the '06.
Just my 2-cents worth.
Just my 2-cents worth.
nowarningshot
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
30-06. Probably the most well rounded one caliber, do all rifle in Kanada. Would I choose it for Bison, Grizzly defence, or polar bear.....not intentionally, but I have other choices open. It could do it in a pinch. Ammo has gotten very expensive, reloading components as well. The difference in use costs between them is more whether your shooting vanilla or premium, not one of these against the other.
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- West Central Alberta
I've used mostly a 30-06 for hunting since 1976 but have hunted with a .300wm and a 338wm but I no longer want all that recoil. Sure a shot or two while hunting is not bad but sitting at the bench shooting a couple of boxes is no longer fun.
So this fall this old grandpa will be using a new 6.5 prc. I just have to choose my shots a little better.
So this fall this old grandpa will be using a new 6.5 prc. I just have to choose my shots a little better.
Absolutely and IT has being since 1962 . RJ
I would think if they have 308 they would have 30-06 and 300WM, all pretty common, unless you mean that the other 2 are just a touch more popular, and possibly sold out, leaving a box of 308 on the shelf for the dummy who forgets his ammo.... lol
308, 30-06, 300 Win Mag. All the extra velocity does (all else being equal, which is only true in theory) is buy you some more yardage at the expense of more recoil. If you need it, and accept the cost, go for it. - dan
Agreed. All of our deer and bear hunting guys agree on the 30-06. We all switched up to 300WM for moose hunting but it wasn’t because the 30-06 wasn’t up to the task. Just an excuse for another rifle and caliber, lol
My experience was opposite haha. I'd used one for quite a while, then started using other cartridges and realized that inside 300 yards, they're all the same lol.
If OP wants to go out past that, 30-06 (or the magnum) maybe start looking better and better but...otherwise its all between one's ears. Which still counts.
I’ve posted this before. This is a friends response to the question from me on the 270 vs the 30-06. He has hunted the world. It’s a good summation of the good choice the 30-06 really is.
“That is a tough one, but I will give you my personal assessment. I have been using both since the mid 90's. At first, I used the two mixed in with several 7mm and 300 mags, but have hunted almost exclusively with a 270 or 30-06 since 2008.
The 30-06 has a much better selection of bullets available, both in factory loads and component bullets. You can find almost any bullet you could possibly conceive from lightweight varmint bullets to 250 grain Woodleighs. The 1-10' or 1-11" twist you find in most 30-06's will stabilize most of them. I think this is due to the fact that 220's were a fairly common load from the early days of the 30-06.
Like all older cartridges, new powders have given the 30-06 velocities that were unheard of 20 years ago. 150's at 3100 or so, 165's around 2950-3000, 180's around 2850 and 200's at 2750 are all easy to achieve. At that point, it is pretty hard to say a 270 has any real world advantage. I doubt a hunter would notice much difference in a 150 grain 30 caliber bullet at 3100 or a 130 grain 270 caliber bullet at 3100, without getting too gacky. about SD or frontal area.
Last summer I spent some time with my new 30-06 loaded with the 212 ELDX and R26. I was able to get 2750 without any effort at all and the cases have been fired 8-10 times and are still trucking along. That brings up another point, that Lapua brass is readily available for the 30-06, if a guy likes Lapua brass. The 270 has a smaller selection of better quality brass. I recently got 100 pieces of RWS 270 brass. I paid more than Lapua and while good, it is not as consistent as the Lapua.
As far as effect on game goes.....I have not been able to discern any difference on sheep and deer sized game. Both will kill with more power than is necessary. In my experience, I think I have seen more 'effect, or impact, or reaction to the shot' or whatever you like to call it with a 30-06 on animals starting with grizzly, caribou, and elk sized stuff. It may be a mental thing, but I would rather carry a bloody pack full of caribou meat through the alders with a 30-06 loaded with .308, 220 grain Partitions (or whatnot) than .277, 160 grain Partitions.
I will probably always have a 270, as I am a far gone O'Connor fan, and my wife likes to shoot my 270 due to the slightly lower recoil with 130's. Having said that, I have spent hundreds of hours with Brad O'Connor over the years, including staying at his house multiple times, and he claims Jack would always say the 30-06 was a more versatile all around cartridge. He will then point out that while he always had a 270 available while hunting in Canada, that something like 11 of Jacks 12 grizzlies were taken with the 30-06's he also had along on the trips.
Another guy I know, who is a dyed in the wool 270 guy, goes to Africa every year on high volume plains game hunts. He sees literally dozens and dozens of animals taken every year, from impala to eland. Multiple times in the last few years he has told me that while he still loves his 270's, he has found the 30-06 to be a little better on the bigger plains game. And as John Oosthuizen once told me, if you run out of 30-06 ammo, just look under the floormats in the Land Cruiser….there will be some there.”
“That is a tough one, but I will give you my personal assessment. I have been using both since the mid 90's. At first, I used the two mixed in with several 7mm and 300 mags, but have hunted almost exclusively with a 270 or 30-06 since 2008.
The 30-06 has a much better selection of bullets available, both in factory loads and component bullets. You can find almost any bullet you could possibly conceive from lightweight varmint bullets to 250 grain Woodleighs. The 1-10' or 1-11" twist you find in most 30-06's will stabilize most of them. I think this is due to the fact that 220's were a fairly common load from the early days of the 30-06.
Like all older cartridges, new powders have given the 30-06 velocities that were unheard of 20 years ago. 150's at 3100 or so, 165's around 2950-3000, 180's around 2850 and 200's at 2750 are all easy to achieve. At that point, it is pretty hard to say a 270 has any real world advantage. I doubt a hunter would notice much difference in a 150 grain 30 caliber bullet at 3100 or a 130 grain 270 caliber bullet at 3100, without getting too gacky. about SD or frontal area.
Last summer I spent some time with my new 30-06 loaded with the 212 ELDX and R26. I was able to get 2750 without any effort at all and the cases have been fired 8-10 times and are still trucking along. That brings up another point, that Lapua brass is readily available for the 30-06, if a guy likes Lapua brass. The 270 has a smaller selection of better quality brass. I recently got 100 pieces of RWS 270 brass. I paid more than Lapua and while good, it is not as consistent as the Lapua.
As far as effect on game goes.....I have not been able to discern any difference on sheep and deer sized game. Both will kill with more power than is necessary. In my experience, I think I have seen more 'effect, or impact, or reaction to the shot' or whatever you like to call it with a 30-06 on animals starting with grizzly, caribou, and elk sized stuff. It may be a mental thing, but I would rather carry a bloody pack full of caribou meat through the alders with a 30-06 loaded with .308, 220 grain Partitions (or whatnot) than .277, 160 grain Partitions.
I will probably always have a 270, as I am a far gone O'Connor fan, and my wife likes to shoot my 270 due to the slightly lower recoil with 130's. Having said that, I have spent hundreds of hours with Brad O'Connor over the years, including staying at his house multiple times, and he claims Jack would always say the 30-06 was a more versatile all around cartridge. He will then point out that while he always had a 270 available while hunting in Canada, that something like 11 of Jacks 12 grizzlies were taken with the 30-06's he also had along on the trips.
Another guy I know, who is a dyed in the wool 270 guy, goes to Africa every year on high volume plains game hunts. He sees literally dozens and dozens of animals taken every year, from impala to eland. Multiple times in the last few years he has told me that while he still loves his 270's, he has found the 30-06 to be a little better on the bigger plains game. And as John Oosthuizen once told me, if you run out of 30-06 ammo, just look under the floormats in the Land Cruiser….there will be some there.”
pete dobinson
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- Courtenay BC.
^^^^ Good post, I agree with everything. The 30-06 is better now than it ever has been.
Yeah, cant say I've ever been a fan of the 06, but having said that, I currently have three in various iterations. They are an extremely practical choice. - dan
