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Newbie AR15 questions!!
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My answer is two fold depending on whether you plan on modifying the rifle at all.
If you plan on just getting an AR15 an never modifiying or changing it then go for the SW Sport 15 (about $625 on sale b4 tax)
Why do I say this, because there are a few things that S&W did to cut cost on this rifle. One of them is the BCG, it comes with a semi-BCG and not an auto BCG (or at least the two that Ive gotten and used). I found I had issues with different grain of 556/223. Changed to full auto BCG problem disappeared.
Also, seems most manufacturers are going away from the built in sights and to low profile gas blocks and m-lok rails. The SW15Sport has a fixed A2 front sight with built in gas block. If you wish to later change it to low pro gas block and install an mlok handrail, it makes it much more difficult. Also, should your A2 front sight have any issues you will have to replace the whole barrel, seeing as though the A2 sight is drilled into the barrel, and not two A2 sights are drilled the same since they are married to one another.
You would be fine with beginner 3 gun with the SW15sport, however you will soon realize most shooters have many different accessories attached that require a mlok/picatinny/keymod handguard rail. The SW15sport comes with cheap plastic standard grips, with no inner aluminum heatshield. So if your barrel gets really hot, it can melt your grips (I melted part of my upper grip).
Personally IMHO, if you know you will want to compete at a higher level than just shooting a few boxes of rounds a couple times a year, spend the extra cash and get yourself something that gives you the possibility for modifications. Sig Sauer makes excellent AR15, for more money look at Armalite, Colt Canada and Daniel Defense. If you don't have that kind of money, look at the EE and there are tons of AR15`s for sale for under $1000.
If you plan on just getting an AR15 an never modifiying or changing it then go for the SW Sport 15 (about $625 on sale b4 tax)
Why do I say this, because there are a few things that S&W did to cut cost on this rifle. One of them is the BCG, it comes with a semi-BCG and not an auto BCG (or at least the two that Ive gotten and used). I found I had issues with different grain of 556/223. Changed to full auto BCG problem disappeared.
Also, seems most manufacturers are going away from the built in sights and to low profile gas blocks and m-lok rails. The SW15Sport has a fixed A2 front sight with built in gas block. If you wish to later change it to low pro gas block and install an mlok handrail, it makes it much more difficult. Also, should your A2 front sight have any issues you will have to replace the whole barrel, seeing as though the A2 sight is drilled into the barrel, and not two A2 sights are drilled the same since they are married to one another.
You would be fine with beginner 3 gun with the SW15sport, however you will soon realize most shooters have many different accessories attached that require a mlok/picatinny/keymod handguard rail. The SW15sport comes with cheap plastic standard grips, with no inner aluminum heatshield. So if your barrel gets really hot, it can melt your grips (I melted part of my upper grip).
Personally IMHO, if you know you will want to compete at a higher level than just shooting a few boxes of rounds a couple times a year, spend the extra cash and get yourself something that gives you the possibility for modifications. Sig Sauer makes excellent AR15, for more money look at Armalite, Colt Canada and Daniel Defense. If you don't have that kind of money, look at the EE and there are tons of AR15`s for sale for under $1000.
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I completely disagree with the above statement.
I`ve had a few Norinco/Dominion Arms, they work fine. Just dont try to change any parts.
NEA had issues with a few batches of Gen 1 (billet) and Gen 2 (billet) AR15, but the Gen 3 (forged) and BCL (NEA Gen4) are very good, to the point that they are used by military and law enforcement worldwide (namely New Zealand).
The best AR15 rifle available to the Canadian market IMHO is the H&K MR223A1, which is a piston AR15.
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I remember when the norincos were almost a $1000.
Chinese made, shi tty finish, and non mil spec
Get a Palmetto State armory or any of the budget complete factory guns.
If you don't have cash get a stripped lower to join the club. Saskatoon gunworks has Aero lowers are $99 and they are very good quality made in usa. Then save cash here and there and slowly build your AR. The amount of parts in the ee and used complete guns your sure to find what you want well within your means I'm sure. The market is very saturated for ARs. Good for buyers
Chinese made, shi tty finish, and non mil spec
Get a Palmetto State armory or any of the budget complete factory guns.
If you don't have cash get a stripped lower to join the club. Saskatoon gunworks has Aero lowers are $99 and they are very good quality made in usa. Then save cash here and there and slowly build your AR. The amount of parts in the ee and used complete guns your sure to find what you want well within your means I'm sure. The market is very saturated for ARs. Good for buyers
So as a first time AR buyer you would recommend building one rather then going straight into a finished budget rifle. I've been looking into the s&w myself as a first gun with the ability to move into beginner 3 gun. Say i had an $800 budget for the rifle would i be better off building?
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As a first timer, do you have all the tools to build an AR? And the time to source the parts?
If not, you can spend $800 and a lot of time to build a $600 AR.
Just buy the M&P, figure out what you like or don’t like about it. Add the pieces you want, go shoot it and have fun.
Once you’re hooked, then build your next one.
No.
If you got $800 to spend that's plenty now a days for a complete USA made AR15 that's not junk. I meant build one slowly over time if your on a super tight budget and just want to spend the bare minimum to get in the AR game immediately. About a $100 gets you in the club.
I don't know what your mechanical aptitude is but they are not hard to assemble if you have all the correct tools and watch some good Brownells videos as your assembling as a guide. Tons of guys have done this.
If you haven't joined the ee yet you should, for $800 or less you might find something used that's set up a little bit better to your liking.
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Unless you go shoot stateside, yes I hear you.
99% of guys will want to modify their rifle so Norinco is not a good choice for most. The biggest reason I am against Norinco though is that there are much better choices these days. You can buy a US built milspec AR for under $1000 that will have zero issues with compatibility of parts with anything you buy in any store but the Norinco may or may not accept the same parts.
Back in the day when Norinco was the only sub $1000 option it was a great way for guys on a budget to get an AR but now they aren't the only option.
To me Norinco is a disposable gun. You buy it cheap then if you have issues you find out that there is no warranty or parts support. Not as big of an issue with the AR-15 since most parts could at least be modified to work but guns like the T-97 are disposable. You hope you get a good one because if you don't you're kinda screwed.
NEA/BCL have always been hit or miss. You really roll the dice with their stuff. Just look through the battle rifle section to read about the continual issues guys have had since day one with the 102 through to new problems posted recently. It never ends with those guys so I can not recommend that anyone risk their money on their products.
Sounds like the warranty department is not as helpful as they used to be. NEA always at least had their great customer service to fall back on but it sounds like that is also a thing of the past.
Yes, they work (most of them) just fine as long as you don't expect them to follow any specs from the rifle they are a clone of. Yes that's quality for ya.
NEA had issues and they are still having issues, there has been no improvement unless you listen to them then of course it's a whole new company. New company, same old headaches and some new ones now that their warranty department sounds like they are not providing the service they did when they were NEA.
Used in military and law enforcement worldwide? That's a joke right? Who? Where? Oh ya, I read something this morning about them confiscating an NEA-15 from a terrorist fighter. Only NEA/BCL still tries to tell us their rifles are used by military and law enforcement.
New Zealand military? Not according to anything I can find. They are using LMT MARS-L which replaced the AUG.
New Zealand police? All I can find is that they don't usually carry guns but the carbines they do have are Bushmaster XM-15's.
This is the only real report I've ever seen of NEA in combat
https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...sts-as-turkey-warns-of-weapons-being-diverted
The best AR available? Sure HK makes some great stuff but as a civilian I don't think any of us would ever see any benefit to owning an HK over a S&W. Especially since you can buy four or five M&P-15 for the cost of one HK.
Don't get me wrong, I do understand that these are not even in the same ballpark when it comes to quality but as a civilian on a one way range and not wanting to spend $4000 on a restricted range toy I see no benefit to buying an HK unless bragging rights is an advantage to someone.
And the reason I say to new guys not to buy a piston rifle is that you now have a rifle with proprietary and more expensive parts so you can't just go down to the local gun store and buy new parts. Plus in five years when that piston system might start to need parts you have no idea if they will still be available but with a DI rifle the parts are everywhere and should be until they ban them in Canada.
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NEA is the Norinco of North America.
Why Bother with crappy Canadian made #### when US has tons of offering for cheap.competion means better product. Sorry no country pride here. I only buy what's good or good value. The new Sig tread seems to be a good bang for the buck too.
Why Bother with crappy Canadian made #### when US has tons of offering for cheap.competion means better product. Sorry no country pride here. I only buy what's good or good value. The new Sig tread seems to be a good bang for the buck too.
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I built my first AR, I didn't see anything on the market that I liked. I wanted a pencil barrel with A2 style peep sights, a bayonet lug and a walnut stock, not exactly something that comes standard on most AR-15s.
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I have the s and w 15, as well as a Anderson lower, aero precision upper and bcg ar
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Both are great, and cheap.
My 2 cents, find a ar that comes with a rail, not the old school plastic hand guard thing the s and w 15 has.
I have avoided nea/(what ever the new name is), just too many stories still flooding in of issues. I understand teething issues at first, but jeez get your crap together...
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Both are great, and cheap.
My 2 cents, find a ar that comes with a rail, not the old school plastic hand guard thing the s and w 15 has.
I have avoided nea/(what ever the new name is), just too many stories still flooding in of issues. I understand teething issues at first, but jeez get your crap together...
Got a smith and wesson as a first AR, later i bought a colt canada. BOTH shoot great.
I bought my S&W used here on CGN for $500 it had about $300 rounds in it. Now i have about 2000 rounds in it and still shoots great.
Don't go expensive if you don't need to. Spend on a good optic that makes a difference in competition.
I bought my S&W used here on CGN for $500 it had about $300 rounds in it. Now i have about 2000 rounds in it and still shoots great.
Don't go expensive if you don't need to. Spend on a good optic that makes a difference in competition.
You can’t go wrong with a S&W MP15.
It’s the best bang for your buck. You can change out the furniture to some more appealing Magpul stuff for $100.
You can use the experience with the S&W to build an AR that you want, afterall, you can never have too many ARs.
It’s the best bang for your buck. You can change out the furniture to some more appealing Magpul stuff for $100.
You can use the experience with the S&W to build an AR that you want, afterall, you can never have too many ARs.
