Newbie. First Rifle .270 win or 7mm Rem Magnum

Unless you have your heart set on shooting stuff like 160, and 175 gr. bullets, I'd stick with a 270Win personally.

For the occasional foray into moose or elk a well built 140 or 150 in the 270 will give you more than enough gitty up got for them. Or better yet simply settle on a 140gr offering in the 270Win, and make hay while you can.


At the expense of a flaming session I will post my opinion on the 7 Rem Mag right here right now.

I feel it is over marketed, and over stated.(not that it can't do a good job)

150's seldom break 2950fps out of 24" bbls. while 175's will seldom do better than 2700fps out of the same length barrel. ( 5 factory rifles tested on the same day over the same proven chrony, factory ammo of course)That's something like 160fps slower than published. While my experience is the 270Win is more likely to have factory ballistics on about 50 to 60fps slower than published from 24" bbls.
All this accomplished with more powder, a bigger case, and more cost.
Flame away!

IMO:
The on game difference between the 270Win and the 7Rem Mag in similar bullet weights in so close, the game nor the hunter would be hard pressed to tell any difference.

And to top it off you indicate that you are a new shooter, the reduced cost in ammunition will allow you more funds available to spend longer periods of time practicing.
 
I have owned several 7mmremmag rifles, and a few hunting partners still use the 7mmremmag as their primary hunting rifle. We all use monometal bullets weighing 139gr to 140gr, handloaded to around 3200fps, and they work great on game from deer to elk and moose. I use the same bullet weight but at 3500fps out of my 7mmstw rifles, with great results as well. The 7mmremmag will provide more velocity, and a flatter trajectory, but it does add a bit or recoil, and it does cost more to shoot than a 270win.
 
jeff270 said:
Trivia .277"=7mm so a 270 is a 7mm, and a 7mm isn't
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More trivia;

Euros are rather fond of nameing their calibers by the bore diameter. Figured that way a 7mm is very much a 7mm.


I sometimes wonder if the .270 only exists because some American working for Winchester got confused between bore and groove diameters. Why else would they come up with a new caliber that only varied by the depth difference of typical grooves?:confused: I can just imagine someone getting screamed at in his bosses office; "We meant bore diameter you f***in* moron, why would you think we wanted you to develope a new caliber 7 stinking thousands of an inch smaller than standard? Do you have any idea how much money you cost us?" Wonder if he got run off? :D


OK, sometimes I'm hard up for something to wonder about.:redface:
 
I have a savage stainless american classic in 7mm reg mag and love it. Ammo cost in ontario is reasonable and picked up the gun for my overall deer, moose and bear gun. If you are looking for something for all big game less big big bears the 7mm reg mag is the gun I would suggest over the 270. Recoil is very similar and factory is alittle bit more. This calibre for me is the ideal big game gun. Premium ammo prices are going to the same. Lebarons in ontario sells 150 grain ammo in 7mm reg mag for 22 bucks.
 
I've had a few 7mmRMs over the years. Never really impressed me,like all the hype suggested. All are gone. Have two 270s though. I like the coverage of bullet weights in them from 90gr to 180gr. More partial to 6.5x55 though really,but slowly coming around to the 270.
 
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stubblejumper said:
You might want to look up the specs for the specific rifle model that he is asking about, as Weathery lists the length and weight in both 270win, and 7mmrem mag, as being exactly the same. But don't let the facts get in the way of your argument.
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The statement was a generalization.

In other words, you're right. :) So what's left when you hold size and weight equal?

.270.

-(Smaller lighter rifle) cheaper ammo +(even less recoil) more practice good even for Elk anyway.
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I would choose the .270, especially for newbies. I'm a big 7mm Rem Mag guy but it doesn't buy you much over a .270 in all honesty, just a bit more velocity with slightly larger bullets with a little bit more weight, too small of an increment to make a noticeable difference on game.

Those slight increases also come with greater ammo cost, more noise, and more recoil.

You just don't see many practical differences, regardless of the the ballistic charts say. The .270 will drop deer and caribou all day long with cheap cup-and-core 130's, step up to a 140 or 150 premium bullet and it'll penetrate deep into moose and elk. I just wouldn't feel undergunned with one unless I was deep in grizz country.
 
Lefty #### said:
Unless you have your heart set on shooting stuff like 160, and 175 gr. bullets, I'd stick with a 270Win personally. . . .
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Actually Nosler makes a .277" 160 gr Partition and Woodleigh makes a .277" 180. I bought some of the Woodleigh 180s thinking they would be a good choice for bear work, but they apparently don't stabilize in a 1:10 barrel. This was a little surprising as the Woodlegh 350 stabilizes in the .375, the 240 stabilizes in a 1:10 .30/06 (but not a 1:12) so I assumed the 180s would stabilize in the 1:10 .270. I'll have to save them for when we order a fast twist barrel I guess.
 
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