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Judge Vandelay

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OK, so brand new to shooting restricted. Got my first hg a couple months ago (a brand new CZ75) and have put a few hundred rounds through it.

Was at the range today and had a problem, which for a while loomed very large on my radar screen.

Because range 1 was somewhat busy, I went to range 2. Was just shooting my last few rounds when the gun went "click" instead of "bang". Oh oh.

Went to rack the slide and couldn't. The gun was jammed with the live round still in it. Tried everything I could think of but....no deal. The jam seemed (to me!!!!!) pretty fricken' bad and all I could think of was having to get a temporary ATT to take it to a gunsmith.

Then I thought of the guys shooting at range 1, conservation authority enforcement officers. Maybe they could help.

Drive over to range 1. Explain my predicament. Might they be of assistance?
Sure, let's have a look.

Long story short, my helpful new friend gave the slide one very sharp pull backwords, racked the slide successfully, the live round popped out and everthing was ok again. The round that popped out was slightly scored by the hammer (if that is the correct terminology) but not much more. Tested the gun again with a second round and the original that didn't work. Gun worked fine with second round but original still didn't work. My new friend said that these semi-autos can take a lot of abuse and don't be afraid of them. I had been afraid of making a bad situation worse

Anyway, I thanked my new friends a few times and that was that.

Lesson learned (I think): Don't be afraid of the suckers. Think its jammed, rack the sucker hard.

Comments?
 
Judge Vandelay said:
Lesson learned (I think): Don't be afraid of the suckers.
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Except when a live round is jammed in the chamber and your carting it around looking for help. Still be afraid.
 
You're right, of course. I was well aware that there was a round jammed in the chamber and I was plenty uneasy about that. Damn lucky for me that help was close at hand.
 
"...Sure, let's have a look..." Most shooters are like that. The first round was very likely buldged just enough to keep the action open just enough to keep it from going bang. Sometimes a push on the front of the slide(mag out) on a table top, being very sure of keeping your finger away from the trigger and where the muzzle is pointed, will pop open the action too.
 
yeah interesting question..what is legal status if you have a live round stuck in the chamber and you need to transport it to a gunsmith, to have the round removed..because its either jammed or extractor is busted or whatever..
 
Laniru said:
You need a short term ATT to go to a gunsmith in Ontario?!?:confused:
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Yep, the club ATT is only good to "any approved range". You need a temp ATT to take it for repair, appraisial, border crossings, etc.
 
This is why I always carry numerous tools with me when I go to the range. I haven't found a situation yet where I didn't have a tool to correct it. I have also helped others when their bangstick craps out.

I don't know about the legalities about sending a loaded firearm to the gunsmith but I do recall hearing about someone with a jam that took the firearm home to fix and eventually shot a hole through a wall.
 
That's scary! So he just racked the slide back as hard as he could (with the mag out, I assume?) and it popped out? The slide was stuck? How come? The way the round was in there?
 
sxyglock17 said:
Yep, the club ATT is only good to "any approved range". You need a temp ATT to take it for repair, appraisial, border crossings, etc.
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Un-frikken-believable! My ATT says any gunsmith, range or border crossing in BC, Alta, Man, Sask and the Yukon, 24/7/365.

Good to know the law is equal...just a little more equal for some of us! Sheesh!:eek:
 
yeah stupid huh... interesting point though... what do you do when you cant leave the range with the gun as its loaded...but cant leave the gun behind at the range...

I havent gotten an ATT for a gunsmith in awhile..
 
Judge Vandelay said:
...(a brand new CZ75)...Went to rack the slide and couldn't. The gun was jammed with the live round still in it. Tried everything I could think of but....no deal. Think its jammed, rack the sucker hard.
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If the round doesn't eject on the first try.....drop the mag. What is happening is the your live round doesn't have any room to move due to the other rounds behind it.

All else fails....field strip the gun. CZ's are very easy to strip, most don't even need tools...although new ones may be a bit tight.
 
I would have tryed a double action click, if not working, a slight tap on the slide to lock in battery and try again.
If not working, just wait a few sec and try to rack the slide on a hard surface (slide pushing on table or something, mag out).

Just got my .40sw CZ75b yesterday and can't wait to put some rounds in it ;)
 
I'll trade the crappy Ontario ATT for a full service, indoor range in the lower mainland of BC. By the way, I had my Remington 870 shotgun do that. Took twenty minutes of anxiety to clear it -- no conservation officers that night.
 
notoriousDES said:
By the way, I had my Remington 870 shotgun do that. Took twenty minutes of anxiety to clear it -- no conservation officers that night.
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What happened w/ the 870? sorry to get off topic but i have one I haven't even fired yet. To my understanding they're pretty easy to operate and reliable...what was the cause of yours jamming?
 
probably had build up for past fired shells and the shell failed to extract.
 
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