NEWBIE question....9mm economy

hometownhero said:
Get a stainless pin setup. It will clean brass inside and out to like new. I had an ultrasonic never did get clean brass.
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oh, I thought the sonic should clean better than the media and faster....
I think I need to watch more youtubes....
Thanks to point it out!!!
 
WWW226 said:
Ha.... And need to buy an ultrasonic cleaner for $100 2.5L capacity
Costs keep adding up.......
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Lyman Turbo 1200 Tumbler (I prefer corncob media). It's cheap, simple and does a phenomenal job. Just dump in your brass, turn it on for 2-3hrs, separate, and you can start reloading immediately if you want to. No drying time or fuss with separating the media from casings and draining, etc. Nothing will clean inside and out as well as stainless pins and detergent, but since casings don't need to be perfectly clean to produce reliable loads I've just never bothered with that method.
I think they have one more 1200 at TSC for $140. Media is ~$35 and it lasts a loooong time. They also have the Lyman stainless pin tumbler, but I think it's more like $240 if memory serves. Both come with Media to get you started.
 
In addition to the Tumbler referred above you may require a Case Pro 1000 costs about 1000.00 Your 650 can not size your brass all the way to the base so case pro roll sizes the casing. Some guns like my glock 17 have a generous chamber so that a police officer or soldier weapon will fire reliably with whatever crap is used in the weapon. My tanfoglio Stock 2 works reliably with factory remanufactured, new, or roll sized ammo. Just too extremes some gun require roll sizing and some guns do not.

When I started in IPSC everyone but one guy reloaded. I asked him about it and he said he just wants to become a better shooter so he buys it by the case pulls down some more overtime and sells the Casings. Of course I thought he was an Idiot because he is doing something different then everyone else. Maurice became one of the best IPSC shooters in Canada. While hundreds of us spent our time and money becoming better reloaders. Maurice spent his time and money becoming a better shooter.
 
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I'm willing to bet that 95% of shooters of 9mm will find it cheaper, even in the long run, to "Buy it cheap and stack it deep". I have a whack of reloading and casting equipment and the only handgun ammo I reload is 45 Colt and 44 Mag, because it's rather low volume shooting, I can't find what I want commercially and what I can is fairly expensive.
 
JBD said:
In addition to the Tumbler referred above you may require a Case Pro 1000 costs about 1000.00 Your 650 can not size your brass all the way to the base so case pro roll sizes the casing. Some guns like my glock 17 have a generous chamber so that a police officer or soldier weapon will fire reliably with whatever crap is used in the weapon. My tanfoglio Stock 2 works reliably with factory remanufactured, new, or roll sized ammo. Just too extremes some gun require roll sizing and some guns do not.

When I started in IPSC everyone but one guy reloaded. I asked him about it and he said he just wants to become a better shooter so he buys it by the case pulls down some more overtime and sells the Casings. Of course I thought he was an Idiot because he is doing something different then everyone else. Maurice became one of the best IPSC shooters in Canada. While hundreds of us spent our time and money becoming better reloaders. Maurice spent his time and money becoming a better shooter.
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With a 650 you should be able to put 1000 rounds through it in a little over an hour. According to youtube even less time is possible. I don't see how that would affect shooting time.
 
For me, there is also the fun factor of reloading. It always makes me happy to have had a hand in the process. Also, I don't gasp when I reach into my ammo can and grab handfuls of my bulk 9mm. When I see a factory box get depleted after a few magazines the cheap gene sometimes surfaces.
As others posted, my 9mm reloads typically come in between 16-18 cents each. I pick brass or buy 1f and buy primers by the thousands to save $$.
My 2 cents.........
 
JBD said:
In addition to the Tumbler referred above you may require a Case Pro 1000 costs about 1000.00 Your 650 can not size your brass all the way to the base so case pro roll sizes the casing. Some guns like my glock 17 have a generous chamber so that a police officer or soldier weapon will fire reliably with whatever crap is used in the weapon. My tanfoglio Stock 2 works reliably with factory remanufactured, new, or roll sized ammo. Just too extremes some gun require roll sizing and some guns do not.

When I started in IPSC everyone but one guy reloaded. I asked him about it and he said he just wants to become a better shooter so he buys it by the case pulls down some more overtime and sells the Casings. Of course I thought he was an Idiot because he is doing something different then everyone else. Maurice became one of the best IPSC shooters in Canada. While hundreds of us spent our time and money becoming better reloaders. Maurice spent his time and money becoming a better shooter.
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This is the first time I've heard this... Why is that?
 
WWW226 said:
dear fellows seniors reloaders,
Please don't be mad at me.... I really try to read, and read and read.....
but all comes down to my narrowed conclusion, that it is not as economically sounded when reloading ONLY 9mm lugers....:(

I tried to complied the costs of brasses, bullet, primers, powders and taking out the equation the cost for a multistage press XL650...
I only came up with a staggering cost of $0.30ish given take per round.
does this sound correct? :bangHead:

I am calculating all items being purchased...

as I do not have a single brass from any previous fired cartridges....

In fact, I just shot for first time two days ago 30 rounds at a range.

But wanted to know your feedbacks to foresee the near future....

really appreciate your input...
Thanks in advance.
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Most of the economy comes from re-using the brass. If you can get 10 firings from brass that cost $0.20 each, then your brass cost is actually only $.02 per firing. Black Sheep Brass has good quality reconditioned brass that is priced well. Better yet if you can find something local so you don't need to pay shipping costs. Watch the ee for 1F 9mm brass, it's quite common.

To justify the economics of a Dillon 650, you will need to shoot many thousands of rounds per year for several years to break even or recoup the cost of the equipment. If you're only shooting 9mm and not in great numbers then you might be just as far ahead to buy loaded ammo. Several site sponsors are selling commercial reloaded 9mm at prices close to what it would cost you to reload it yourself without having to invest a couple $thousand in reloading equipment.
 
Scotty454 said:
Lol my thoughts exactly. I did so much shooting this summer that I'm going to go into withdrawal if I don't do something gun related over the winter :)
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You guys don't have interior shooting ranges? I shoot way more in the winter. It's too cold outside to do anything anyway.
 
jethunter said:
.... to shoot many thousands of rounds per year for several years ....
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I see the picture here...
52 weeks per year and 100 round per week = 5200rounds
but not going every week... twice a month may be.... then 24x 100=2400
but if getting into IPSC or IDPA then per training it would use aprox 100-300...maybe
well.... I'm scratching my head....
then where I gonna find time for kids activities, my shooting activities... reloading time.... and WORK... and overtimes to get extra money....

I think I AM THINKING TOOOOO MUCH...

maybe I need a vaccine to prevent me to get into this expensive hobby.....

Maybe like Patriot1 said.... get out of this hobby and he is saving more money......lol (with respect)

Thanks though!!! it is a great info!!!
 
JBD said:
In addition to the Tumbler referred above you may require a Case Pro 1000 costs about 1000.00 Your 650 can not size your brass all the way to the base so case pro roll sizes the casing. Some guns like my glock 17 have a generous chamber so that a police officer or soldier weapon will fire reliably with whatever crap is used in the weapon. ....
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so it is pistol depending whether or not reloading without sizing the brass could lead to trouble.... potentially???...
then how could one know ahead of time which pistol likes/accept better and other simply cannot be....???? (well now I know Glock 17 would not and tanfoglio Stock 2 would)
Is there a list of handgun that shows do&donts?

this is really a deal breaker for me....
my mindset is for a Sig P226 and if it can not allow "simple" reloaded 9mm ammo...then for me is byebye reload....:-(
hope someone could share their experience on reloaded ammo for their Sig P226.... so I can continue my quest of ... Be or Not toBe...

Thanks thanks!!
 
WWW226 said:
Is the sizing die one of the 5 stage in XL650??? or any progressive press?? thanks
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Sizing is always the first stage in a progressive press. Any set of dies will include a resizing die. I'm not sure what JBD says about the 650xl not being able to size 9mm and needing some 1000$ tool to do it. Millions of 9mm ammos are made using 650xl every year in canada, and those ammos run fine in every gun known to mankind. Same for ammos made using a Lee Loadmaster or Hornady LnL or other models of dillon presses.
 
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