Newbie questions.... Again..

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rick'o'shea

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Ok,, I havn't loaded a single shot yet, i'm still gathering info, and components.
Heres what I have....
powder
H110, CFE223, Herco, Titegroup, SR7625
bullets
DRG... 45 225fp. 9 125rn. 38/357 158swc
I want to load 9mm, 45acp, 38/357, 223 (hornady bullets)

My questions...
DRG bullets are not in any manual I can find, but lead bullets with same weight and
shape are, Can I use these loads? OAL same?
Also,
357mag, does it have to have a mag primer?
Thank you
 
1. you can use load data for the same bullet weight or close to it +/- 5-10gr to figure out a starting load and work up from their.
2. for OAL, figure out via a plunk test, use what works in your guns and again work up a load.
3. you don't have to use a magnum primer for 357mag, but i do because they were easy to get at the time.

the plunk test is simply seat a bullet fairly long and keep seating it deeper until it will freely drop in and out of your barrel. so if it works at 1.200" i would seat them to 1.195" or 1.190" and see how they cycle through the gun.

for your 225gr bullet, i would use 230gr bullet data.
for your 125gr bullet, use that or 124gr data
 
Spawn-Inc said:
1. you can use load data for the same bullet weight or close to it +/- 5-10gr to figure out a starting load and work up from their.
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Think this is a typo. Adding 10gn of Titegroup to a start load with a bullet of unknown data in the 45ACP case, for instance, would be more than double the case maximum capacity. Likewise reducing the start load by even 5gn would require that you somehow manufactured an extra grain to remove, since start load is only 4gn.
prob the same with any of the other combinations
 
rookie wildcat said:
Think this is a typo. Adding 10gn of Titegroup to a start load with a bullet of unknown data in the 45ACP case, for instance, would be more than double the case maximum capacity. Likewise reducing the start load by even 5gn would require that you somehow manufactured an extra grain to remove, since start load is only 4gn.
prob the same with any of the other combinations
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I believes he means +/- 5-10gr of bullet weight, not powder weight.
 
pmt said:
I believes he means +/- 5-10gr of bullet weight, not powder weight.
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Bingo. If I had a 240gr bullet I would look at 230gr or 250gr bullet data to figure out a start load assuming I couldn't find anything closer.

I would likely go with which ever bullet shape matches the one I'm using.
 
You can use small rifle primers instead of small pistol mag primers..... Just be sure to start at min load and work up. Also try 1 case to see if the primer is proud in the pocket. This is something to avoid IMHO.

I have a Colt Revolver that seems to "like" pistol mag primers, but none were to be found. I was trying to solve a problem of un-burnt powder causing erratic performance. I was unable to source mag primers, so I tried small rifle match primers (of which I have lots). I had to use my RCBS case prep centre with a pocket uniformed to remove a bit of brass in the bottom of the pocket so that rifle primers will sit properly in the case. (Small rifle and small pistol primers are the same diameter but are a little different in height).

I only did this to 50 cases. They are kept separate from the rest..... To be honest, I don't think I'll ever need to buy small pistol mag primers ever again.....
 
notsorichguy said:
You can use small rifle primers instead of small pistol mag primers..... Just be sure to start at min load and work up. Also try 1 case to see if the primer is proud in the pocket. This is something to avoid IMHO.

I have a Colt Revolver that seems to "like" pistol mag primers, but none were to be found. I was trying to solve a problem of un-burnt powder causing erratic performance. I was unable to source mag primers, so I tried small rifle match primers (of which I have lots). I had to use my RCBS case prep centre with a pocket uniformed to remove a bit of brass in the bottom of the pocket so that rifle primers will sit properly in the case. (Small rifle and small pistol primers are the same diameter but are a little different in height).

I only did this to 50 cases. They are kept separate from the rest..... To be honest, I don't think I'll ever need to buy small pistol mag primers ever again.....
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out of curiosity, what powder were you having issues with?
 
I have used a lot of 7625 and Titegroup in 9mm, 38, 357, 40, 45 with DRG bullets.

In 45ACP, I suggest you use 4.3 TiteGroup for both the 200SWC and the 225. Seat the bullet so that just a smidgin of the shank is out of the case mouth. I have quite a few 45s and most of them shoot best with one or the other of these two loads.

In 45 with 7625, I loaded the 200SWC over 6.2 gr of 7625. Excellent accuracy and mid power.

In 38Spl, load the 148 WC and the 158SWEC with 3.8 TiteGroup. Also, with the 148, try 3.3TG.

In 38 with 7625, try the 158SWC with 4.5 and 5.0. My guns like one or the other.

In 357, best accuracy was 148WC over 3.3TG and 158SWC over 5.5g IMR7625 (Work well in many different guns)

In 9mm, I find the DRG 135 gr the best. Accuracy loads have been 3.3 and 3.6 TG.

9mm with DRG 135 and 7625, try 3.3 and 4.0
 
Spawn-Inc said:
out of curiosity, what powder were you having issues with?
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Unique.

It was the final piece of the puzzle to have 1 powder for all my non-rifle loads.... I now use unique in 9mm, 40, 357 sig, 38spl, 357 mag and 45. I'm finding it to be a very versatile powder. I've also used it in several rifle loads shooting cast boolits as well as for reduced loads in several rifles.

Cheers!
 
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