Most of you people need to retake ' hunter safety " and the guns that are appropriate for it!! ' GOOSE 25" get the right tool for the job at hand, tactical shooting and hunting are miles apart!! Run , do not walk to your nearest gun club and get involved, you will get thank me down the road!!!
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m12man said:
No, it sounds like YOU are an elitist Sporting Clays/Trap shooting goof who is the ONLY one in the universe qualified to talk about shotguns.
Give your head a shake. You don't like 'tactical' shotties... we get it...
Deano said:
My point exactly!
I don't agree with the antis, I'm just playing the devil's advocate and re-iterating what we're up against. I didn't call Grouse25, you, or anyone else "scary", but we have to accept the fact that we do scare people (not because of what we do, because of what they read in the press).
When I talk about 'tactical' models, I'm talking about what someone else here called "military looking". You and others are absolutely on target when you describe unrestricted models that are as lethal, if not more so, than certain restricted models. The anti-gun lobby obviously doesn't care about facts; they'll spin anything they can to gain mindshare. Hell, more people get killed with cars than guns. You don't hear anybody proposing a ban on cars.
We are an endangered minority. No better off than smokers. An easy target for any politician looking for a few easy votes. Loudly proclaiming our right to own guns isn't going to save us. We have to prove that we're not the problem.
Another thread on this BBS covers one member's challenge to the 50% of guns used in crime come from Canadian sources number that was floated by Toronto police. They're including stolen guns, guns with serial numbers filed off, and people with registered guns who commit crimes. The actual total of the 3 appeared to be 48% of the guns used in crimes in Toronto during a 1 year period. How do they come to the conclusion that all guns with serial numbers removed originally came from Canadian sources?
It this kind of BS that's going to turn the public against us.
Canucklehead- Not an elitist , just a shotgunner with a bit of experience, give the new guy a break and lets not send him down that road that you travel, you know that road where you buy the CHEAPEST russian or chinese junk that nobody will service if you have a problem with it and you WILL have a problem with it!! Lets get the man to a gun club where he can get some experience in and decide shooting what discipline he is interested in, even if it is tactical!!
Yeah, I've heard an elitist before and that's what they sound like.
Look, the kid bought a Remington 870 express with a short barell and a large magazine. Not an ideal hunting rig, but if he learns his, and the guns limitations, he could use it for hunting bunny rabbits and grouse.
The 870 express is a comoon base platform and I'm sure that he could buy some extra barells and have quite a bit of versatility. He could swap out the short barell for a 28 inch vent rib with a screw in choke and have a dandy little hunting shotgun, or he could swap out the barell for a slug barel and have a nice short range deer proposition.
Most of the advise he got was that the current rig he bought was not an ideal hunting rig, but how you arrive at the fact that most of us should re take out hunters safety is just pure snobbery.
Look, the kid bought a Remington 870 express with a short barell and a large magazine. Not an ideal hunting rig, but if he learns his, and the guns limitations, he could use it for hunting bunny rabbits and grouse.
The 870 express is a comoon base platform and I'm sure that he could buy some extra barells and have quite a bit of versatility. He could swap out the short barell for a 28 inch vent rib with a screw in choke and have a dandy little hunting shotgun, or he could swap out the barell for a slug barel and have a nice short range deer proposition.
Most of the advise he got was that the current rig he bought was not an ideal hunting rig, but how you arrive at the fact that most of us should re take out hunters safety is just pure snobbery.
I compare it to a talk about vehicles. The old guy said i should always drive an oldsmobile. Turns out they suck in winter. So i drive a 4x4 Jeep. It works perfectly all season.
Maybe, the lad wants to shoot the shotgun all year and not just in hunting season. Maybe, he has a shotgun in his mind he wants to build.
Who am I to raise doubts upon his hopes and dreams.
I use a somewhat "tactical" rifle for skeet and do very well. Just because it doesn't work for some oldschool types doesn't mean it won't work for the newschool.
Anyway, that's my thoughts... Just use what fits for you be it tactical or long-gunner. Just pick a tool that can do the job you set for it.
Maybe, the lad wants to shoot the shotgun all year and not just in hunting season. Maybe, he has a shotgun in his mind he wants to build.
Who am I to raise doubts upon his hopes and dreams.
I use a somewhat "tactical" rifle for skeet and do very well. Just because it doesn't work for some oldschool types doesn't mean it won't work for the newschool.
Anyway, that's my thoughts... Just use what fits for you be it tactical or long-gunner. Just pick a tool that can do the job you set for it.
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Something not mentioned in this discussion... the fact that an ordinary human may choose a tactical set up for DEFENSE. bears crackheads what ever.
I think the right to bear arms (I know I know- we're in canada) follows reasoning in this order: Defense, hunting, sport/target
Defense THEN Sport. some ppl require it for full time hunting of course... that is rare these days.
Nice play of the devils advocate SS but whats your stance on Defense? you're portraying anyone with anything "tactical" as an offensive possibly confrontational person. Seems like your painting everyone with a cool looking shotgun with the same brush.
fed007
I think the right to bear arms (I know I know- we're in canada) follows reasoning in this order: Defense, hunting, sport/target
Defense THEN Sport. some ppl require it for full time hunting of course... that is rare these days.
Nice play of the devils advocate SS but whats your stance on Defense? you're portraying anyone with anything "tactical" as an offensive possibly confrontational person. Seems like your painting everyone with a cool looking shotgun with the same brush.
fed007
fed007 said:
Yeah, you'd be right, too. My stance on buying shotguns for the stated purpose of defence? Bear defence, maybe. If the CFC accepts home defence as the purpose for aquisition of a shotgun, go for it. I feel sorry for the guy who shoots an intruder, though. The law, twisted as this may be, would boil down to a debate on whether excessive force was used. You could end up doing time for defending yourself. Then, there's the issue of unsafe storage. If any gun is going to be used for home defense, it can't very well be locked in a cabinet with the ammunition stored someplace else. Seems like legal storage and the stated purpose are at odds, to me.
Regardless, "cool looking" shotguns as you define them are useless at a trap range and even less than that for hunting. Small wonder, then, when someone new to shotguns asks for advice, those with more experience suggest something with quality and suitability for range and field. A pump is fine, with a 28" barrel, choke tubes, and a full stock. If you want to actually shoot your shotgun, get into birds or trap. If you want to spend your time looking at your shotgun, I suppose the mangier the better.
SS
My beef with the outlook of the negative people on this thread is their attitude. The original poster of this thread was ASKING whether his setup would work for hunting. I'd agree that it's not a terribly effective setup, but you could have just SAID SO instead of leaping on this guy and blaming him or his kind for antis not liking us.
Also, is it just me, or does it smell like troll in here?
Also, is it just me, or does it smell like troll in here?
the goose dude has left the thread you big bulies have scared him off with your big talk goose if you can hear me the gun you chose is kinda neat but it will suck for hunting but i hope that you enjoy it just the same it is your privelage to own that gun and make your own decisions.
it does smell like troll in here!
it does smell like troll in here!
