Newer Rem 700....stovepipe!

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I took my previously-unfired Model 700 CDL SF to the range yesterday. If I put two or four rounds in, i.e. the top cartridge was portside, feeding was fine. Where the top cartridge was on the starboard side, the bolt was stripping the top cartridge off and sending it toward the chamber, but also moving the next cartridge forward, causing a stovepipe jam.

Ideas? If it matters, the rifle is 2 or 3 years old, recently bought NIB, and is the CDL SF LTD in .280 Rem from a couple years ago, 2008 or 2009, I think.

Accuracy was at best ho-hum; I'll try free-floating it and try a couple other loads.
 
Is the magazine box correctly inserted? If it gets a little twist to it, it'll cause exactly what you describe. I've had it happen to me.
Simple fix, if that's the problem though. Just hafta remove the magazine box and insert it so it's true and square.
 
For your issue, good chance Demonical is right. But her I go... I'm gonna get flamed again, and people will tell me they know of new CRF Winchester 70's doing the same thing or something like that... but it's a Remington, and a late model one at that. The last 700 I owned was in about 2006 I believe, and it was horribly finished, the bolt handle appeared skewed / not soldered in perfect alignment (the fact it's a soldered on part in the first place is enough to make me move on), and yep, it had nagging feeding issues. Accuracy was it's one OK, moderate, but so many better guns do the same these days the 700's old claim to fame with accuracy has been washed out by the competition. The first and foremost design goal of the 700 was to be cheap to make, they used to hide that with its attributes, but those have long since waned. Savage is the new Remington, Remington is approaching the new H&R. Good guns now start predictably at Ruger and Winchester with Remington pulling Marlin down with them. Sad state of affairs with big green. Thanks and sorry for the tirade.
 
I'll check the mag box. Never had the action out of the stock yet.
Ardent, I hear ya on the disappointment. I've shot older 700's that were slick rifles. So far, this rifle, pretty as she is, (and a .280 Remington to boot! Woot!Woot!) is anything BUT!
It does have good features, though. I like the larger (compared to my A-Bolt) triggerguard, it will be easier to use in the cold.
 
It is a box or follower issue quite likely. As has been said, seat the box correctly and you should be golden. If that fails to do it, swap out the follower. The worst "stovepipe" jamming 700 I've ever seen was fixed with a simple follower swap.

Leave the pressure points in the forend and bed under the receiver ring and around the lug. When bedding tighten down the rear screw and use it to center the action and let the pressure points center the barrel. Run the front action screw in but leave it loose. When the bedding is cured pop the action out of the stock, remove the pressure points and you'll have a centered floated barrel and a rifle that should shoot lights out.
 
Thanks Chuck. I have a .280 already that is quite accurate, easily shoots MOA all day, half that if I do well. But it (A-Bolt) has a stock design I find difficult to shoot in field positions. I'm hoping the Rem will be a great one for hunting.
 
Kilo Charlie said:
Thanks Chuck. I have a .280 already that is quite accurate, easily shoots MOA all day, half that if I do well. But it (A-Bolt) has a stock design I find difficult to shoot in field positions. I'm hoping the Rem will be a great one for hunting.
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The absolute most accurate rifle I have ever owned was an A-Bolt chambered for the 280 rem (center group). Given that I still prefer a different plaatform and that CDL SF sure is a nice one.

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I removed and reinstalled the action. That mag box is neart impossible to keep seated in its recess during assembly. It feeds well now.
I tried to shim the front receiver ring a bit but then I could not get reliable feeding.

Partly to preserve the fancy floorplate, I'm considering adding a Kwik-Klip conversion to this rifle. I like that easy unload of a DM rifle.
 
I would not give you 50 cents for any Kwik-Klip conversion on a LA Remington. It shortens the magazine's interior length considerably, and they are ugly. Additionally, they often introduce feeding issues as well. Eagleye.
 
Oh yeah? well, you sold your P-14 Enfield before I could buy it and my heart is still broken. So I'm not gonna listen to your opinion, I'm gonna take my ball and go home!

Just kidding, Eagleye!
They are kinda homely. I may forego the trouble; have to see if I even will keep the rifle.
 
Ardent said:
For your issue, good chance Demonical is right. But her I go... I'm gonna get flamed again, and people will tell me they know of new CRF Winchester 70's doing the same thing or something like that... but it's a Remington, and a late model one at that. The last 700 I owned was in about 2006 I believe, and it was horribly finished, the bolt handle appeared skewed / not soldered in perfect alignment (the fact it's a soldered on part in the first place is enough to make me move on), and yep, it had nagging feeding issues. Accuracy was it's one OK, moderate, but so many better guns do the same these days the 700's old claim to fame with accuracy has been washed out by the competition. The first and foremost design goal of the 700 was to be cheap to make, they used to hide that with its attributes, but those have long since waned. Savage is the new Remington, Remington is approaching the new H&R. Good guns now start predictably at Ruger and Winchester with Remington pulling Marlin down with them. Sad state of affairs with big green. Thanks and sorry for the tirade.
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Bingo,.....on all counts. I'll not buy another new 700, I'll keep the ones I have because most have been gone over, some rebarreled and they work,...a new 700?...nope...same for a new Marlin, Remington screwed up Marlin in the space of a few months. A Ruger M77 or a new Model 70 is twice the rifle of a new 700
 
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My last Remington was bought brand new at WSS last October. A 700 MTN LSS in 30-06. I like it. Shoots great [MOA with several different loads]. Feeds perfect, no flaws that I can see.
I'm not saying Remington is perfect, and I don't drink green cool-aide. Just saying they haven't done me wrong.
 
Kilo Charlie said:
Oh yeah? well, you sold your P-14 Enfield before I could buy it and my heart is still broken. So I'm not gonna listen to your opinion, I'm gonna take my ball and go home!

Just kidding, Eagleye!
They are kinda homely. I may forego the trouble; have to see if I even will keep the rifle.
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LOL, How are you, partner? My apologies again, but you know the story. :D
BTW, My other P14 in 303 Epps has found a load it really likes....sub-moa for 3 shots practically every time. Regards, Eagleye.
 
Rembo said:
Bingo,.....on all counts. I'll not buy another new 700, I'll keep the ones I have because most have been gone over, some rebarreled and they work,...a new 700?...nope...same for a new Marlin, Remington screwed up Marlin in the space of a few months. A Ruger M77 or a new Model 70 is twice the rifle of a new 700
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Same evolution here, I developed my affinity for Ruger M77's and Winchester M70's after I was in the Rem 700 club. Built some very accurate guns on the 700, but the same can and has been done on quality and well designed actions for me now too. There are just too many question marks with the 700's construction that scream cheap and I'm not even worried about the safety media event. Doesn't take long to forget the crunch-feed feel of a 700 with an M77 or M70 in your hands. Or the multipiece soldered up bolt, round stock unimproved receiver with a seperate sandwiched recoil lug, tiny extractor... I better stop. I'll still shoot them, but the way their quality has gone has taken it from a gun I'm not fond of to a gun I plain don't like. Somebody will remind me the US Millitary uses them- they use a lot of cheap things, and yes I'm sure their 700's work just swell. But there are better guns for the same money and since I'm not issued my rifle, I choose better.

Now I just sound bitter...
 
Ardent said:
Now I just sound bitter...
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There's enough older 700s around to keep disgruntled buyers happy for a while. I pass on new ones as well.

They should shoot well out of the box like the Tikka/Savage/Marlin X7s and many other budget priced rifles, but generally don't.

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Ardent said:
Same evolution here, I developed my affinity for Ruger M77's and Winchester M70's after I was in the Rem 700 club. Built some very accurate guns on the 700, but the same can and has been done on quality and well designed actions for me now too. There are just too many question marks with the 700's construction that scream cheap and I'm not even worried about the safety media event. Doesn't take long to forget the crunch-feed feel of a 700 with an M77 or M70 in your hands. Or the multipiece soldered up bolt, round stock unimproved receiver with a seperate sandwiched recoil lug, tiny extractor... I better stop. I'll still shoot them, but the way their quality has gone has taken it from a gun I'm not fond of to a gun I plain don't like. Somebody will remind me the US Millitary uses them- they use a lot of cheap things, and yes I'm sure their 700's work just swell. But there are better guns for the same money and since I'm not issued my rifle, I choose better.

Now I just sound bitter...
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...this thread shouldn't be forgotten...100% true-er today...and this from an old Remington 700 shooter...reminds me of what happened to Browning Belgian shotguns in the mid-70's...pitiful, just pitiful...
 
That's a dual feed, not a stovepipe. A stovepipe is when you have the empty failing to eject cleaning and it gets caught upright in the action. Usually a semi-auto thing.
I'd be thinking follower too.
 
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