Next Milsurp Market

freddo said:
I'm not sure they would be legal to sell in Germany, which has very strict laws about ANY item with ANY type of nazi markings on them whatsoever.
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If they are "collector" items, yes, they are legal.
January 2007, a friend bought an "unfired" P38 with nazi markings in Hamburg. The auction started at 5500 Euro for that item.
freddo said:
Perhaps if the nazi markings were obliberated as some countries have done...
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"Obliterations" were done from 2 main reasons:
1. Firearms were later used in military training or even service. Nazi markings were considered de-motivating for the peasant turned soldier.
2. Anti-nazi paranoia following ww2.

As an parallel example, and some of you may know this, taliban memorablia already hit the market and is growing steady, even in North America. Watch and see what happens over time.

cornelunc said:
Yes without Communist Bloc there will be no old stuff,in East Europe {communist} in the army I was trained with AK 47,but ather time in the army the Gov.make a special chamber in every factory full of rifles from second WW,if you are not in the regular army as a male you must fight with Mausers,Mosin Nagan or SKS,at my working place my gun was a Soviet Sks and need only 20 minutes to be fully armed and ready for action
After the fall of Communism the former socialist bloc have been start to sold this guns to American dealers almoust for nothing because of need of cash
Cornel
CSSA member
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Interesting. I'm guessing Albania?
Most of the Euro East Block countries use to sh!t Ak's in large numbers daily in the last 40 years or so.
99% of the bolts or other ww2 relics were used and beaten into junk by the 1950's contingents.
As post communist era revealed, "in case of..." during the cold war, in E.Germany, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, there were enough AK's to arm everybody who could hold a gun in their hands. No need for Mosins, Mausers, SKS or any other nonsense.

Actualy, in that part of the world it's much harder than here to find milsurps from that era (that are in reasonable shape).

Most of milsurp ends in the melt, and it happens daily in that part of Europe and all over world. (UN resolution concerning small arms and some over-zealous contries feeling obliged to do more than they were asked? I don't know that answer...)

Of course, there are exceptions. Less than a week ago, a european company was selling among many other things, 129 "new" swedish Mausers (preserved in and by a swedish arsenal) and many other similar guns. I was scared and even embarassed to ask for the price, since a similar gun was selling at auction 10 years ago with 2-3000$US.
 
Dr.Lector said:
Interesting. I'm guessing Albania?
Most of the Euro East Block countries use to sh!t Ak's in large numbers daily in the last 40 years or so.
99% of the bolts or other ww2 relics were used and beaten into junk by the 1950's contingents.
As post communist era revealed, "in case of..." during the cold war, in E.Germany, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, there were enough AK's to arm everybody who could hold a gun in their hands. No need for Mosins, Mausers, SKS or any other nonsense.
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I just saw this post now...

Actually it's not Albania, he's talking about Romania.
It's true...there were enough AK's to arm anyone that could carry them...however, for some odd reason, they didn't use AKs to arm people but Mausers(locally refered to as ZBs, from the Czeck Vz24) and Mosins(refered to in many cases as Tzapina - the spike, because of its lenght and thin bayonette, I assume...). They also used Bolt action .22s. SKS's(along with semi-auto AKs were used by the "Garzile Patriotice", the Patriotic Guards.
 
Oh, lets put a damper on this happy talk, as if a country which I believe Canada is one Brittan another has signed on to the Unite Nations (and the UN is still pushing its agenda) all military surplus has to be destroyed, instead we may cry at huge piles of these going to the copper. I think this is why we will see no more surplus Enfield C7 .22 trainers as there are some in the army but wont make it too us. I hope I am sooooooooooooo wrong.
 
What's this talk of "motherload" of Garands?? I thought they came in already, not much of a load though... does this mean larger quantities? perhaps LOWER prices?...this topic gets me excited...imagine finding 600 NIW K98's...my God.
 
I dunno about Motherload, but I just bought a really nice ww2 era springfield with a new Danish VAR barrel and lockbar sights for $500 at a local shop. They aren't that much money.
 
all the Us weapons in greece have slowly been being RETURNED to the U.S we wont see any of them

the thompsons are parted up (russians did the same with NIW ones)

most of the g43' are in really really bad shape and they want too much $$ for them this is why they have not been imported into the us

hate to say it but I think the days of cheap (or not so cheap) plentiful milsurps is likely over the U.N is destroying them as fast as they can and they are just plain running out of them too
 
"...all military surplus has to be destroyed..." That's been the Canadian government's policy for eons. Thousands of perfectly good and serviceable No. 4 and No. 7 Lee-Enfields and C1A1's have been chopped in the last 25 years or so.
In any case, just because a former Warsaw Pact country decides to sell off their surplus firearms doesn't mean they'll be coming here. Those countries don't want Canadian currency. They want U.S. currency. The U.S. and Russians have an agreement for the Russians not to be selling their old stuff to Stateside importers too.
"...the U.N is destroying them..." The Third World Debating Club has no mandate nor jurisdiction to destroy anything belonging to a member State. They have no mandate nor jurisdiction to make laws of any kind for anybody either. All they can do is whine and cry to member States to try and convince them not to sell their surplus small arms to the Third World. The Third World Debating Club's 'Despot Caucus' doesn't want the assorted 'rebel' factions in their own dictatorships being armed any better than they are.
 
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"...Give it a few weeks..." Most people in other countries have no idea where Canada is. Including a lot of our Southern Cousins. The currency of world trade is the U.S. dollar. Mind you, a lot of the Canada/U.S. border crossings haven't caught on that our dollar is almost on par with each other. Still costs more to get in and out of the country if you pay tolls with Loonies.
 
The UN is buying surplus arms and ammo for MORE than the asking price so it can be burned and chopped up....apparently its more fun than using the cash to feed starving kids
 
cz52 said:
I just saw this post now...

Actually it's not Albania, he's talking about Romania.
It's true...there were enough AK's to arm anyone that could carry them...however, for some odd reason, they didn't use AKs to arm people but Mausers(locally refered to as ZBs, from the Czeck Vz24) and Mosins(refered to in many cases as Tzapina - the spike, because of its lenght and thin bayonette, I assume...). They also used Bolt action .22s. SKS's(along with semi-auto AKs were used by the "Garzile Patriotice", the Patriotic Guards.
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Well, well, look who's here:)
I was impressed by your pics about the Carpati pistol, Bereta romanian contract, weddings with Ladas and Bolgas and few others.

You are 100% type of guy and I enjoyed many of your posts and info in here.
However, your above post puzzles me a little because some info you give is a bit innaccurate (according to some official records that it conflicts). If you want to discuss, shoot a post in this thread and we can have a friendly debate.

Cheers
 
Won't really affect imports, but I am sure a lot of bolt action rifles hidden in closets across the country will come out on the open market again.
 
If the Conservatives have the bolt actions deregistered as announced in the Throne Speech, I predict the amount of military surplus available for sale will skyrocket, no doubt about it
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Okay, I'm high-jacking my own thread...

De-registering bolt actions is stupid. I don't see the point.
 
Many don't have valid permits out there, also all those people who are scared of being arrested for unlawfull storage or whatever.
 
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