Next purchase $1000 in 7mm rem mag

Why on earth would you ever want to shoot game at 800yds? The time between pulling the trigger and the bullet getting there is enough for the animal to take two steps. Add some wind, and a boiler room shot is going to be a matter of luck not skill.

Being able to hit a 8" target at 800m is one thing, shooting at game at that range is entirely different, and at best unnecessary. If you can't get closer than 800m I suggest you find a new hobby, cause hunting clearly isn't your forte.

todbartell said:
800m on deer? You'll want a 6.5 Creedmoor
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Lol you just made my day.
 
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sometimes when I am looking at a figure 11 target at 300m ... I am certain it must be 800m away.
 
some one is selling (not me) a steyr SBS stainless in 7 Rem Mag. on EE for $800. thats probably the least expensive and 'probable' way to an 800m 1.5 moa rifle
 
beer__guzzler said:
How's your rem long range shoot at 1000m?
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Using 162gr eld-m at 3000fps, out to 800m it is not a lot different then shooting at shorter ranges, very predictable and easy to dial in, groups were nice, no complaints, solid submoa. Jumping to 1000 the wind and drop is tricky...easy to make hits, not so easy to group predictably.
I would not try a deer at that distance, I don't think the first shot will be where you want it to go. If it was me, I'd sneak up to a more reasonable range...I respect food too much to wound it.
 
AP said:
some one is selling (not me) a steyr SBS stainless in 7 Rem Mag. on EE for $800. thats probably the least expensive and 'probable' way to an 800m 1.5 moa rifle
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1.5moa@800m is a 13.7" group, and that's ignoring the possibility of the animal moving and the fact that you don't get any shots to figure out what the wind is doing. Would you take a 100yd shot on game with a gun that printed groups bigger than a foot? I sure as fk wouldn't...

Hitting targets at 800m when you get to walk your shots into the target is one thing. Hunting a live animal where the first shot has to count is very much a different story.
 
I hear what everyone is saying.... most of the shots I take are 400m and less this year was 47 meters! Just would like to be able to take a shot at longer distance if the opportunity presented it self.
 
beer__guzzler said:
I hear what everyone is saying.... most of the shots I take are 400m and less this year was 47 meters! Just would like to be able to take a shot at longer distance if the opportunity presented it self.
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But that's the point - an animal at 800yds is not an opportunity presenting itself.
 
beer__guzzler said:
I appreciate the recommendations. What's people thoughts on the xbolt?
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I hear the magazines are hit and miss (seen two threads about em in the past week or so). I know a guy with one in 300wm, it was a legit sub moa gun in my hands, and the recoil wasn't bad. Likely less recoil than my 7mag rem 783 (probably due to stock quality) but I haven't shot the xbolt in a few years so it's hard to say definitively. In his hands, it shot like this though:

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AP said:
some one is selling (not me) a steyr SBS stainless in 7 Rem Mag. on EE for $800. thats probably the least expensive and 'probable' way to an 800m 1.5 moa rifle
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1.5 MOA is fine to 300 meters, but it is NOT good enough for shooting game at 800 meters.
 
There’s no magic gun that makes 800 yard shots sure things. Any well bedded and scoped 7 mag shooting a load it likes is capable of long range shooting. It’s the shooter and ethics. Put some wind flags out and practice at your distances. If you feel comfortable fine. Personally I like to get way closer. Haha I’m old school I guess.
 
stubblejumper said:
You would probably spend half of that on ammunition, developing your shooting skills to be accurate enough to shoot deer at 800m.
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Thats the right direction. Tikka, SAKO and others with a good scope. Laser rangefinder and/or laser-binoculars. Handloads. Good wind meter. Play around with some ballistic software and or some range time shooting at 700-1000m. Good binoculars. Patience, practice. Patience means passing up the first 3-6 chances to shoot because the wind is too high. Deer is walking, etc.

Otherwise you are just throwing lead into the wind and not acting responsible. Aiming at a deer, taking 10 shots at 10 different deer in order to hit one in the ass. Is not marksmanship or "hunting". But the 7mm mag can deliver a 10" group in a hunting situation(800m) with all of the above.
 
phil1212 said:
Thats the right direction. Tikka, SAKO and others with a good scope. Laser rangefinder and/or laser-binoculars. Handloads. Good wind meter. Play around with some ballistic software and or some range time shooting at 700-1000m. Good binoculars. Patience, practice. Patience means passing up the first 3-6 chances to shoot because the wind is too high. Deer is walking, etc.

Otherwise you are just throwing lead into the wind and not acting responsible. Aiming at a deer, taking 10 shots at 10 different deer in order to hit one in the ass. Is not marksmanship or "hunting". But the 7mm mag can deliver a 10" group in a hunting situation(800m) with all of the above.
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I agree with this except for the "and/or" part in the quote below... there is NO "or" when comes to range time... ballistic calculators can only go so far in predicting "real world" results... there is no short cut to spending ALOT of time and money shooting at long range, if you want to ethically harvest game at long distance you have to learn your load and rifle... the range is the only place that can be done and truthfully, there are many who can never get to the place where it is legitimately ethical to shoot game at long range.... but your real world practice will tell you where to draw the line.

Also, just a note about "range accuracy" versus "hunting accuracy"... remember at the range the conditions are controlled, your posture and rest are perfect, you have unlimited time, your target is not moving, and you are not jacked up on adrenaline... in the field, when a big buck walks out suddenly from and unexpected direction and is quickly walking out of sight, there is nothing "controlled" about that scenario... your 8" range group at that distance, is now a 24" group, if you are lucky and the deer is certainly not lucky if you chose to squeeze the trigger. At the very least, halve your field range when conditions are not right, or just pass on the shot, remember it is not a life or death situation for YOU, but it never feels good to wound a fine game animal... and if wounding does not bother you, you should not be hunting at all.

phil1212 said:
Play around with some ballistic software and or some range time
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Mbogo3,
Is “explode” a good thing? Expand and penetrate would be good.
Did it kill the elk humanely?

Anyone know how to calculate velocity at various ranges?
I shoot 7mm RM, 60.5 grn IMR4831, 150 grn TTSX, ballistic coefficient .408, velocity should be about 2975 fps according to Barnes and Hodgedon published data.
Also, what velocity is required to expand various bullets?
 
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