Next purchase $1000 in 7mm rem mag

Range Drop
(inches) Velocity Energy Wind drift
(inches) Time
(milliseconds)
A A A A A
0 -1.4940 2950 2898 0.0000 0
50 -0.2019 2833 2673 0.0000 52
100 0.0068 2720 2464 0.0000 106
150 -0.9599 2610 2269 0.0000 163
200 -3.2035 2502 2085 0.0000 221
250 -6.8364 2397 1913 0.0000 283
300 -11.9833 2294 1752 0.0000 346
350 -18.7828 2194 1603 0.0000 413
400 -27.3893 2096 1463 0.0000 483
450 -37.9756 2001 1333 0.0000 557
500 -50.7345 1908 1212 0.0000 633

Above from Gundata.org
The table’s format is a bit scrambled, but the third column is velocity at range in first column.
My load should expand at 500 yds.
Could not find data for 800 yds for trajectory or velocity.
 
The problem is that the bullets that expand reliably at lower velocities are not generally the bullets that are known for excellent accuracy. If you should get lucky and have a standard cup and core bullet shoot extremely well, then that is the way to go... the problem is when the animal walks in at 10 yards, the bullet may "splash" at hyper-velocity, but a lung shot should get the job done there regardless... look to the softer, high BC bullets.
 
AP said:
some one is selling (not me) a steyr SBS stainless in 7 Rem Mag. on EE for $800. thats probably the least expensive and 'probable' way to an 800m 1.5 moa rifle
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I have the same Steyr Pro Hunter in both 7mm Rem MAG and .270, both are the most accurate hunting rifles that I own. Steyr no longer manufactures these in 7mm RM and it took me over a year to find one on the EE - which I paid a heck of a lot more than $800. I have come to really like the thumb safety over the years.

I'll stay out of the ethics debate.
 
What a bunch of snivelling.

OP. Buy a Tikka T3X, scope it how you wish, and go out and start shooting. You will soon find what you can and can’t do. Bullets will sort themselves out. Guys here that have never done it are telling you how it’s done and what you can and can’t do. Typical.
 
Dear Chuck,
I think my posts are providing relevant data, not snivelling.
I have shot deer up to 330 yds. I was actually a bit surprised when I paced off the shot.
I do agree with some of the advice above. If you can spot a deer at 800, you should be able to figure out how to get a closer shot. I’ve done this a few times.
 
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My question is what are you budgeting for a scope. Theres lots of rifles that will do the job. A few key things I've found in maintaining repeatable accuracy are making sure your stock doesnt contact your barrel at all my t3 would touch while shooting from a bipod and would throw off the point of impact, torque everything to spec if you take apart your rifle to lower trigger weight, lower your trigger weight. I reload for consistency of ammo but if you dont, dont cheap out. I've got 2 tikkas both are tack drivers but so are Rugers and savages I dont have experience with Remington. I also stay away from wood to avoid swelling in certain weather and I dont bed my rifles. Best of luck!
 
hoytcanon said:
I agree with this except for the "and/or" part in the quote below... there is NO "or" when comes to range time... ballistic calculators can only go so far in predicting "real world" results... there is no short cut to spending ALOT of time and money shooting at long range, if you want to ethically harvest game at long distance you have to learn your load and rifle... the range is the only place that can be done and truthfully, there are many who can never get to the place where it is legitimately ethical to shoot game at long range.... but your real world practice will tell you where to draw the line.

Also, just a note about "range accuracy" versus "hunting accuracy"... remember at the range the conditions are controlled, your posture and rest are perfect, you have unlimited time, your target is not moving, and you are not jacked up on adrenaline... in the field, when a bug buck walks out suddenly from and unexpected direction and is quickly walking out of sight, there is nothing "controlled" about that scenario... your 8" range group at that distance, is now a 24" group, if you are lucky and the deer is certainly not lucky if you chose to squeeze the trigger. At the very least, halve your field range when conditions are not right, or just pass on the shot, remember it is not a life or death situation for YOU, but it never feels good to wound a fine game animal... and if wounding does not bother you, you should not be hunting at all.
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Those are words of wisdom born of experience there. It quite a thing that panicky feeling when the buck is walking and you know he may or may not dissapear in three seconds, and in which direction you do not know. Or maybe he will stand broadside nicely? Maybe. A million thoughts rushing in your mind in mere seconds.. you've spent weeks getting to this moment.. ahh the thrill of the hunt! At this point group size expands threefold from those nice targets we post on CGN, lol.

OP its an advantage that you can practice on the same powerlines that you hunt. Using the same positions and rests would be beneficial. Maybe try it with your current gear and see how far out you can get? Then compare to range results and see if its the gun as the limiter.
 
hoytcanon said:
I agree with this except for the "and/or" part in the quote below... there is NO "or" when comes to range time... ballistic calculators can only go so far in predicting "real world" results... there is no short cut to spending ALOT of time and money shooting at long range, if you want to ethically harvest game at long distance you have to learn your load and rifle... the range is the only place that can be done and truthfully, there are many who can never get to the place where it is legitimately ethical to shoot game at long range.... but your real world practice will tell you where to draw the line.

Also, just a note about "range accuracy" versus "hunting accuracy"... remember at the range the conditions are controlled, your posture and rest are perfect, you have unlimited time, your target is not moving, and you are not jacked up on adrenaline... in the field, when a bug buck walks out suddenly from and unexpected direction and is quickly walking out of sight, there is nothing "controlled" about that scenario... your 8" range group at that distance, is now a 24" group, if you are lucky and the deer is certainly not lucky if you chose to squeeze the trigger. At the very least, halve your field range when conditions are not right, or just pass on the shot, remember it is not a life or death situation for YOU, but it never feels good to wound a fine game animal... and if wounding does not bother you, you should not be hunting at all.
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I don't disagree with your point. The issue i was trying to make is that the exact performance of the bullet needs to be known in all conditions. That is not going to come from a reloading manual or a pda. You have to know that exact performance of your ammunition. Know the exact conditions you are dealing with, i.e. winds, elevation variables, etc. All without having to resort to your notes, rite in the rain logbook. Or having to remember exactly how many clicks on your scope you need to effect the shot. IMO the math and thoroughly understanding ballistics will save 1/3 of the range time. That just shooting will teach you.

Proof of that is the amount of classroom time, chronograph time, load development time, etc. that long range shooter spends, To be successful.
https://www.ballisticmag.com/2017/12/22/long-range-master-2-mile-shot/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbj0ceDBdW4
 
Leatherstocking said:
What sort of bullets will expand reliably at 800 m?
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Go to the manufacturers website, and see what velocity they claim their will have expansion.

Run your ballistics in a program and find out at what distance you are getting that minimum expansion velocity. That's your ballpark furthest distance for reliable expansion. You might want to reduce it a bit to compensate for manufacturer fudging.

Most of the bullets designed for long range hunting offer excellent accuracy and expand well at lower velocities, but may be fragile at closer ranges. Sometimes there are good compromises like bonded bullets that hold together better at close range but still offer good down range performance.
 
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