Anyone know of anywhere in Canada with one in stock?
Next revolver...Ruger Match Champion or S&W 686?
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Anyone know of anywhere in Canada with one in stock?
I'd like to get into something like that but the only organized thing around here is IPSC and they seem to be way too serious with way too many complicated rules to interest me.
- Location
- West Quebec
No IDPA near you ?
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the 4.2 balances nice, and feels/looks right to me as well. But for target work, the added sight radius of the 6" makes a huge difference, and the weight forward keeps the muzzle down a bit and makes them steadier. It's just plain easier to shoot faster. The 5" guns like 625's make a nice compromise.
The lock on the smith is invisible functionally. If you don't like it don't use it. Most complain about it as smith added it at a time when they where owned by PC bean counters...since be sold but never removed it. It doesn't affect anything...many just object to it being there at all.
I doubt there is much of a strength difference between the N frame 357 and a gp 100, but i'd put my money on the GP with heavy loads. It is a stronger all around firearm, but it pays for this by being a heavy one. Smiths just feel more alive in the hand. Plus, if your gonna blow up a revolver with heavy (or over) loads...might as well be a ruger rather then a nice smith.
Find yourself an older K38 if your thinking of target shooting. Have a target hammer and trigger already in them, and you won't get a better functioning trigger either, for weight or lack of creep
Get the 4.2 686 instead of the GP100 Match only because you already have a 586.
They are both very different revolvers, in that they have different feeling triggers and different felt recoil.
I owned a 6" GP100 for about 9 years and sold it and bought a 4.2" GP100 2 years ago.
Anybody who has a revolver should spend a lot of time pulling the trigger to get used to the double action.
I have dry fired mine thousands of times while watching TV and polished the parts and installed the wolf spring kit.
The double action is very light and smooth and im very used to it.
Out of interest a friend and i swapped revolvers for a month, his 586 which he had for a while and my GP100.
After the month we swapped back and both had the same complaint the trigger didnt feel right.
For me they were both smooth but i was used to my GP100 pull and prefered the feel of it over his 586.
So there you go, I suggest buy what you already know instead of learning to ride a new bike.
On a side note i found the 6" barrel to be more accurate at 25 yards but like the short barrel for my holster
as i like to shoot IDPA with it and actually get pretty good times against the fellows with the semis
They are both very different revolvers, in that they have different feeling triggers and different felt recoil.
I owned a 6" GP100 for about 9 years and sold it and bought a 4.2" GP100 2 years ago.
Anybody who has a revolver should spend a lot of time pulling the trigger to get used to the double action.
I have dry fired mine thousands of times while watching TV and polished the parts and installed the wolf spring kit.
The double action is very light and smooth and im very used to it.
Out of interest a friend and i swapped revolvers for a month, his 586 which he had for a while and my GP100.
After the month we swapped back and both had the same complaint the trigger didnt feel right.
For me they were both smooth but i was used to my GP100 pull and prefered the feel of it over his 586.
So there you go, I suggest buy what you already know instead of learning to ride a new bike.
On a side note i found the 6" barrel to be more accurate at 25 yards but like the short barrel for my holster
as i like to shoot IDPA with it and actually get pretty good times against the fellows with the semis
No IDPA! That's too bad. It's a great sport. I shoot both, and I would not steer you away from ipsc. You can still shoot ipsc without getting too tangled up in the competition side of it especially if you are doing it with a revolver. It seems ipsc shooters that use wheel guns are doing it for the love of the revo.
In the mean time if you are into idpa? Start beating the bushes and perhaps some other shooters would be into it as well. The 2 sports can exist at the same club. I know there is a new club in NS I beleive. I'm sure that's too far for you but they could likely help you out with what it takes to get started.
I started idpa with a G34 and still love shooting it. I also got into the SS GP100. I hope to start using that in matches this season. Way different game using a revolver.
Sailor, you only need to let the rules get in the way if you want to let them. Yeah, I know that IPSC has it's share of folks with TWO holsters on their belt, one for the gun and the other for the rule book. But just let them do their thing over there while you ignore them and carry on shooting and enjoying the game.
As far as rules go I actually found that IDPA has more rules that directly affect what I use for gear and how I shoot. IPSC is actually more free on those counts in many ways. So don't let the "lawyers" in the game drive you away. You'll be missing out on a lot of fun shooting if you do. MOST of the rules you'll encounter deal with safety. Oh sure there's some little things that'll catch you up. But those aren't that hard to learn and avoid. And if you do get DQ'ed somewhere along the way just accept it as "one of those things" and hang out for the day. After all you are BOUND to meet a bunch of great folks among the group. And hanging out and chucking smack talk is half the fun.
As far as rules go I actually found that IDPA has more rules that directly affect what I use for gear and how I shoot. IPSC is actually more free on those counts in many ways. So don't let the "lawyers" in the game drive you away. You'll be missing out on a lot of fun shooting if you do. MOST of the rules you'll encounter deal with safety. Oh sure there's some little things that'll catch you up. But those aren't that hard to learn and avoid. And if you do get DQ'ed somewhere along the way just accept it as "one of those things" and hang out for the day. After all you are BOUND to meet a bunch of great folks among the group. And hanging out and chucking smack talk is half the fun.
Yes, yes, yes! Now, I couldn't have found a better suggestion than what you have discovered here. Amazing. I have a 6.5" model 27, but it is not a PC gun. You would never regret the purchase of a M27PC. I own a 627 PC as well and it is my best shooting handgun. It is better to have one superior handgun than two mediocre handguns. And the debate rages on...
Anyone have any thoughts/experience with one of these? I know I said I wouldn't go for Performance Centre $$$ but hey, you only live once.(Although, I guess the question is "Is it $700 better than the Ruger MC?"
https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/smith-wesson-m27pc-5-blued-357-mag-revolver/
I was interested in getting a Ruger just to try it out
Although I didn't like the trigger on the GP I had handled previously, I recently read a pretty complimentary article on the Ruger in the latest issue of American Rifleman. It spoke glowingly about the trigger on the Match Champion, and how it compared with the S&W, and I wanted to try one out.
Today I had the opportunity to handle one and although the gun had good fit and finish, I found the grip a little small for my hand. The real deal breaker though, was the trigger. Without intending to sound like a fan boy, the trigger on the Smith is far and away better than the Ruger
I guess I'm going to stay with S&W.
Although I didn't like the trigger on the GP I had handled previously, I recently read a pretty complimentary article on the Ruger in the latest issue of American Rifleman. It spoke glowingly about the trigger on the Match Champion, and how it compared with the S&W, and I wanted to try one out.
Today I had the opportunity to handle one and although the gun had good fit and finish, I found the grip a little small for my hand. The real deal breaker though, was the trigger. Without intending to sound like a fan boy, the trigger on the Smith is far and away better than the Ruger
I guess I'm going to stay with S&W.
I agree with the poster who said that the main difference between S&W Triggers and Ruger's is the fact that they are different!
If you are used to Ruger you might not like a S&W and if you are used to S&W you might not like the Ruger.
This is not so much because one is better but more due to the different feeling.
Of course all triggers can be smoothed out by a smith or just by pulling the trigger.
One annoying thing with Ruger is they seem to like springs a bit on the heavy side from the factory.....they should probably include a few springs so the user can pick the weight but just like with most things aftermarket companies have picked up the slack and for $20 the springs can be improved easily.
If you are used to Ruger you might not like a S&W and if you are used to S&W you might not like the Ruger.
This is not so much because one is better but more due to the different feeling.
Of course all triggers can be smoothed out by a smith or just by pulling the trigger.
One annoying thing with Ruger is they seem to like springs a bit on the heavy side from the factory.....they should probably include a few springs so the user can pick the weight but just like with most things aftermarket companies have picked up the slack and for $20 the springs can be improved easily.
I owned a Ruger Match Champion and it is a great gun...I've also owned a Smith 686 and it too is a great gun...The MC had the fibre optic sights though that I really liked as opposed to the Smiths plain red ramp. Guess I have regrets about selling the Ruger but none about the Smith...
