Night time predator hunting. Who do we have to convince?
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Adrian J Hare
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I have hunted yotes at night in PA and it is cool. I even got a female right between the eyes with a 22 hornet. I believe that it can be done safe with no problem...
I'd be in on this in a heartbeat...
The discharge of firearms at night is not illegal in BC hunting is though.
So if we can shoot to our heart's content all night long why not add predator hunting in there.
I'm thinking a campaign directed at the Wildlife Branch of the government could just be doable if as in baby steps this is targeted around winter months that there is no other big game hunting going on.
The discharge of firearms at night is not illegal in BC hunting is though.
So if we can shoot to our heart's content all night long why not add predator hunting in there.
I'm thinking a campaign directed at the Wildlife Branch of the government could just be doable if as in baby steps this is targeted around winter months that there is no other big game hunting going on.
bearkilr
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I see, that makes sense.
Prohibited time of day
27(1) Except as may be otherwise permitted by the regulations, no person shall discharge a rifle or a shotgun during the period beginning at 1/2 hour after sunset and ending at 1/2 hour before sunrise the following day.
https://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/w130e.php
Wolf is considered a big game animal in MB, not furbearer, even under trapping regulations, and it doesn't state anywhere that you can shoot them at night. Not saying I agree, but that's the law nonetheless. I can't find a regulation stating you can shoot at night regardless of the animal, but I imagine they put that clause in there for first nations exemptions.
Wolf is listed in the trapping regs. so it must be a furbearer. I was told that as long as I had a valid trappers licence it was not under hunting regs. Wheather they turned a blind eye to it or not many different NRO's told me the same thing. I am not in any LGD or municipality so those rules don't apply. Not looking for an argument over the laws just saying that is the way it was/is up here.
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bearkilr
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Municipal/RM/LGD can't override the Wildlife Act.
This is the regulation stating where wolf is listed under the Wildlife Act. I'm not looking for an argument either pounder, just stating what I believe to be the current law. Note black bear is also listed under Trapping Regs but certainly not a furbearer. Wolf kind of plays a unique role in MB. It's the only unprotected big game animal where there's no actual license available.
https://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/w130e.pdf
SCHEDULE A
WILD ANIMALS
Division 1 — Big Game
Moose Alces alces
Elk Cervus elaphus
Barren-ground Caribou Rangifer tarandus groenlandicus
Woodland Caribou Rangifer tarandus caribou
White-tailed Deer Odocoileus virginianus
Mule Deer Odocoileus hemionus
Black Bear Ursus americanus
Gray (Timber) Wolf Canis lupus
Division 2 — Fur Bearing Animals
Beaver Castor canadensis
Short-tailed Weasel Mustela erminea
Long-tailed Weasel Mustela frenata
Coyote Canis latrans
Fisher Martes pennanti
Arctic Fox Canis lagopus
Red Fox Canis vulpes
River Otter Lutra canadensis
Badger Taxidea taxus
Bobcat Felis rufus
Marten Martes americana
Mink Mustela vision
Muskrat Ondatra zibethica
Red Squirrel Tamiasciurus hudsonicus
Wolverine Gulo gulo
Raccoon Procyon lotor
Lynx Felis canadensis
Division 3 — Game Birds
Ruffed Grouse Bonasa umbellus
Gray (Hungarian) Partridge Perdix perdix
(Wild) Turkey Meleagris gallopava
Rock Ptarmigan Lagopus mutus
Willow Ptarmigan Lagopus lagopus
Spruce Grouse Canachites canadensis
Sharp-tailed Grouse Pedioecetes phasianellus
Ring-necked Pheasant Phasianus colchicus
Plus Migratory Game Birds protected in Canada under the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 (Canada)
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bearkilr
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OK,but I don't see where it says I can hunt wolf at night.
According to page 23 of the Ontario hunting regulations under "General Regulations"
Before hunting, check local sunrise-sunset times. You may
only hunt from half an hour before sunrise to half an hour
after sunset (exceptions: night raccoon, spring wild turkey,
and, in some WMUs, pheasant). If you are in an area usually
inhabited by wildlife, during the period from half an hour
after sunset to half an hour before sunrise you must unload
and encase any firearms (including air gun, pellet gun, bow
or crossbow) in your possession.
So if I read that correctly you can't hunt predators at night? Unless I am reading that wrong.
Before hunting, check local sunrise-sunset times. You may
only hunt from half an hour before sunrise to half an hour
after sunset (exceptions: night raccoon, spring wild turkey,
and, in some WMUs, pheasant). If you are in an area usually
inhabited by wildlife, during the period from half an hour
after sunset to half an hour before sunrise you must unload
and encase any firearms (including air gun, pellet gun, bow
or crossbow) in your possession.
So if I read that correctly you can't hunt predators at night? Unless I am reading that wrong.
bearkilr
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Just because it doesn't specify that you can't doesn't mean you can. I'm not a lawyer, but the way I'm reading it, it HAS to say somewhere in another regulation that's it's permitted for certain circumstances/animals. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I can't find it.
Prohibited time of day
27(1) Except as may be otherwise permitted by the regulations, no person shall discharge a rifle or a shotgun during the period beginning at 1/2 hour after sunset and ending at 1/2 hour before sunrise the following day.
Anyhow, for anyone wanting to hunt predators at night in Manitoba, I'd suggest getting permission in writing from someone of authority.
bearkilr
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Both fall under the Wildlife Act.
It did get a little off track.
But who can or do we bring this up to? And what would the process entail? Besides getting told to pound sand.
I live in BC and just bought a snowmobile I plan on going on many long rides that might extend all thru the night also planning on doing some winter camping.
We have vast expanses of remote uninhabited wilderness areas here with no one else around for miles...
Which makes me think of this old question "if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it fall did it make a noise"
Just saying...
We have vast expanses of remote uninhabited wilderness areas here with no one else around for miles...
Which makes me think of this old question "if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it fall did it make a noise"
Just saying...
I live in BC and just bought a snowmobile I plan on going on many long rides that might extend all thru the night also planning on doing some winter camping.
We have vast expanses of remote uninhabited wilderness areas here with no one else around for miles...
Which makes me think of this old question "if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it fall did it make a noise"
Just saying...
nope, it does not make a noise, but it does make a sound. A noise is something heard....
bearkilr
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The proper way would probably be to bring it up with your provincial wildlife federation and see if they would pass a resolution to lobby the government for a change. The issue arising that immediately comes to mind is enforcement. There would be a lot of opposition from the DNR/MNR as you would no doubt have a bunch of hunters claiming to be hunting predators at night when in fact they're after deer,etc. The other thing is the safety concern. Hunting at night is potentially dangerous given you don't know what is beyond your target, there's no denying that. It could be restricted to certain zones, but even there you have farms with livestock.
Personally, I can't see laws changing in todays society.
IMHO, we would need a large organization to lobby on our behalf, along with some research or studies to back up the reasons for changing current laws. OFAH, etc.... Then one would hopefully find someone in government with a sympathetic ear, or at least an open mind that isn't easily coerced.
Our first hurdle would be ourselves, it's time we stop judging each other and stand united for each and every way we enjoy this lifestyle. Our United opinion should be one of freedom of choice, and responsibility for our actions.
Our first hurdle would be ourselves, it's time we stop judging each other and stand united for each and every way we enjoy this lifestyle. Our United opinion should be one of freedom of choice, and responsibility for our actions.
I concur sir
With wolves, coyotes and wild boar being more active of a night
It would make more sense to hunt them of of a noght and with more
Success than an any DNR making an open season on any predators.
because it makes sense you just know it aint going to happen
