Nightforce SHV or Sightron SIII

So as far as I can tell, with SVSS compared to SIII you get locking turrets, this new focus thing, same reticle (MOA2), still no zero stop, 20 MOA per rev on the turrets, is there another feature I'm missing? Just doesn't seem like much difference for the extra 1500-1700 dollars. Does anyone know if the turrets on the SVSS mount on splined shafts, or is it still just the friction of the screw holding that knob in place? Not that I've ever had an issues with it, just curious. I've had 4 SIII's and think they're great.

*EDIT: Also noticed the SVSS is a 34mm tube, with 60W/70E MOA of elevation as opposed to 50 MOA in the SIII 10-50x60. Plus it's 11.7 oz heavier!
 
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Ive never had a chance to look through an SIII but I would really like to compare to my NXS one day. As far as a big price difference, I dont really know what you are taking about Jerry.

I bought my 5.5-22x56 with double turn turrets and no zero stop from Hirsch for $1500, your SIII 6-24 is right at $1100. That is not much of a difference for a scope that is SIGNIFICANTLY more robust and lets face it, has a much better resale value and reputation.

The reason there are more NF on the EE is because MORE PEOPLE OWN NF!!

When you start paying $2100-2200 for an NXS, you are getting the double turn turrets and zero stops. Plus the have 100moa of adjustment. The SIII only has a measly 75moa.

I would be impressed if there is any difference in optical quality let along a significant one.
This new SVSS is the same price as the ATACR!! The ATACR is a 34mm tube, has way better glass than the NXS, has 120moa of adjustment, zero stop and you could bludgeon a cow to death with it. Now they even have the F1 coming out.

Nightforce for the win.
 
Schecter 81 said:
Ive never had a chance to look through an SIII but I would really like to compare to my NXS one day. As far as a big price difference, I dont really know what you are taking about Jerry.

I bought my 5.5-22x56 with double turn turrets and no zero stop from Hirsch for $1500, your SIII 6-24 is right at $1100. That is not much of a difference for a scope that is SIGNIFICANTLY more robust and lets face it, has a much better resale value and reputation.

The reason there are more NF on the EE is because MORE PEOPLE OWN NF!!

When you start paying $2100-2200 for an NXS, you are getting the double turn turrets and zero stops. Plus the have 100moa of adjustment. The SIII only has a measly 75moa.

I would be impressed if there is any difference in optical quality let along a significant one.
This new SVSS is the same price as the ATACR!! The ATACR is a 34mm tube, has way better glass than the NXS, has 120moa of adjustment, zero stop and you could bludgeon a cow to death with it. Now they even have the F1 coming out.

Nightforce for the win.
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My SIII 6-24 has 100 MOA of adjustment. Same as my NF 5.5-22..........
 
Schecter 81 said:
Ive never had a chance to look through an SIII but I would really like to compare to my NXS one day. As far as a big price difference, I dont really know what you are taking about Jerry.

I bought my 5.5-22x56 with double turn turrets and no zero stop from Hirsch for $1500, your SIII 6-24 is right at $1100. That is not much of a difference for a scope that is SIGNIFICANTLY more robust and lets face it, has a much better resale value and reputation.

The reason there are more NF on the EE is because MORE PEOPLE OWN NF!!

When you start paying $2100-2200 for an NXS, you are getting the double turn turrets and zero stops. Plus the have 100moa of adjustment. The SIII only has a measly 75moa.

I would be impressed if there is any difference in optical quality let along a significant one.
This new SVSS is the same price as the ATACR!! The ATACR is a 34mm tube, has way better glass than the NXS, has 120moa of adjustment, zero stop and you could bludgeon a cow to death with it. Now they even have the F1 coming out.

Nightforce for the win.
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Current price for a NXS 5-22 is in the $2400 range. You must have got a smoking deal.
 
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Schecter 81

I can't agree with you more on your post and now with sightron offering a scope over 2700 dollars there is no doubt that I will stay with the nightforce and s&b and others in this type quality,
 
Schecter 81 said:
Ive never had a chance to look through an SIII but I would really like to compare to my NXS one day. As far as a big price difference, I dont really know what you are taking about Jerry.

I bought my 5.5-22x56 with double turn turrets and no zero stop from Hirsch for $1500, your SIII 6-24 is right at $1100. That is not much of a difference for a scope that is SIGNIFICANTLY more robust and lets face it, has a much better resale value and reputation.

The reason there are more NF on the EE is because MORE PEOPLE OWN NF!!

When you start paying $2100-2200 for an NXS, you are getting the double turn turrets and zero stops. Plus the have 100moa of adjustment. The SIII only has a measly 75moa.

I would be impressed if there is any difference in optical quality let along a significant one.
This new SVSS is the same price as the ATACR!! The ATACR is a 34mm tube, has way better glass than the NXS, has 120moa of adjustment, zero stop and you could bludgeon a cow to death with it. Now they even have the F1 coming out.

Nightforce for the win.
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Hirsch is selling NF 5.5-22x56 NSX for $1500? Talk about a smoken deal. I think Hirsch is going to get a lot of calls tomorrow.

As far as Sightron SIII goes they are a hell of a scope for about a grand but I personally can't see them selling much in the 3 grand range. If I am spending under $1200 it is a Sightron all the way. If I am spending around 3 grand it is going to be something else.
 
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SouthPaw700 said:
So as far as I can tell, with SVSS compared to SIII you get locking turrets, this new focus thing, same reticle (MOA2), still no zero stop, 20 MOA per rev on the turrets, is there another feature I'm missing? Just doesn't seem like much difference for the extra 1500-1700 dollars. Does anyone know if the turrets on the SVSS mount on splined shafts, or is it still just the friction of the screw holding that knob in place? Not that I've ever had an issues with it, just curious. I've had 4 SIII's and think they're great.

*EDIT: Also noticed the SVSS is a 34mm tube, with 60W/70E MOA of elevation as opposed to 50 MOA in the SIII 10-50x60. Plus it's 11.7 oz heavier!
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Seems to be the same question that can be applied to a number of sub $3k scopes too. I will find out in a couple of weeks but rings will be a while out.. oh well.

That much extra weight has to go into the mechanism so likely this will be a hardened construction style.... What customers seem to want.

The focus system seems interesting on paper. Great LR optics is definitely what customers want. This super fine parallax focus thingy..... Sightron is going for a patent so something must be different

Big tube, heavy robust construction seems to have the right buzz words for the boomer crowd.

More mins per rev.. again what customers want. The scope adjustment locking system is different from anything Sightron currently has so that will be interesting to see... and feel

I have little doubt the tracking will be superb per all the other SIII products. The big question is what are they going to do to up their game wrt to the optics.

Can't wait to do a side by side with the NF comp...

Jerry
 
Schecter 81 said:
]Ive never had a chance to look through an SIII but I would really like to compare to my NXS one day. As far as a big price difference, I dont really know what you are taking about Jerry.

I bought my 5.5-22x56 with double turn turrets and no zero stop from Hirsch for $1500, your SIII 6-24 is right at $1100. That is not much of a difference for a scope that is SIGNIFICANTLY more robust and lets face it, has a much better resale value and reputation.

The reason there are more NF on the EE is because MORE PEOPLE OWN NF!!

When you start paying $2100-2200 for an NXS, you are getting the double turn turrets and zero stops. Plus the have 100moa of adjustment. The SIII only has a measly 75moa.

I would be impressed if there is any difference in optical quality let along a significant one.
This new SVSS is the same price as the ATACR!! The ATACR is a 34mm tube, has way better glass than the NXS, has 120moa of adjustment, zero stop and you could bludgeon a cow to death with it. Now they even have the F1 coming out.

Nightforce for the win.
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You really should spend some time behind a SIII and side by side to the NF NXS. The results WILL surprise you. And if we are going to split manf specs for the "win", SIII6-24X50 is rated as 100mins for both Windage and Elevation.

NF NXS 5.5-22X50 100E and 60W

Every brand has different goals and marketing features. If what you want is offered by company A and not company B, fly at it.

But consider actual seat time before saying product A is better then B.

Jerry

PS, if you can get NF NXS for $1500, I will buy all that you can get!!!!!
 
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tactical_tech said:
Current price for a NXS 5-22 is in the $2400 range. You must have got a smoking deal.
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I bought mine about a year ago when he was having a blowout sale. I jumped on it. Again no zero stop model.

Right now though he has a thread with models listed at $1800 and $1900
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1153961-Nightforce-Sale

This is still not much above the SIII.

And I stand corrected about the total MOA of the Sightron. Has there been a change in new models? I thought that I remembered eliminating it from a purchase decision for my .338 Improved because of the limited travel. I may be wrong.
 
I just checked and did Sightron ever take a jump in price( I guess because of the dollar mostly). I am glad I bought my second 8-32x56 SIII last year.
 
Just depends on which scope you are after but the basic guts of the SIII scopes has not changed since inception.

Also, alot of the Sightron print info in a word is.... WRONG and that has also been from inception. So not surprised if you read one source saying one thing but the scope doing another. Almost always, the scope offers MORE then the catalog suggests... DUMB.

The 2015 catalog is on the internet as a PDF and the number of errors in it is stunning. Makes it real hard to help customers when you are correcting resources you want to refer to.

Oh well... they make good scopes... dumb catalogs.

For the SIII SFP, there are only 3 scopes per se... the 6-24 is 100 W/E.. the 8-32 is 75 W/E... the 10-50 is 50 W/E. And for the most part, the travels are useable full range... this is not so with other brands.

The other features and reticles and lights don't affect the guts.

Then there are 2 click values 1/4 and 1/8 (mrad is stated clearly and correct). 1/4 clicks use tactical exposed turrents. 1/8 use capped target turrents - Custom Shop reticle swaps let you change reticle vs click value.. this is what I have done as I want 1/8 clicks for my F class scopes but love the LRMOA reticle. Not a cataloged product but essentially a poor mans NF Comp... Why it isn't cataloged? As I said.. dumb.

The SIII LRMOA (2MOA) and LRMH (MRAD) reticles are all "correct spacing" at 24X. So for the SFP scopes, you do the math for the other mags. DO NOT BELIEVE THE CATALOG.. it states the correct subtension is 1/2 the mag range... IT IS NOT!!!!!.

Obviously this does not apply to the FFP scopes. Nor the STAC 2.5-17.5 which have the 2MOA spacing AT MID MAG RANGE.

Sightron continues to offer some of the highest adjustment amount for the mag range. AND the E adjustments are useable. Alot of scopes claim huge E adjustments but when you go to the ends of scope travel optics tank or windage is greatly reduced. Or the E stops working cause you have a fair amount of W for the SR zero. Or the E tracks a curve as you go from middle of adjustment to the ends. Or....

Any big E adjustment scope will loose full W travel at extremes of travel but the SIII's retains most of W at max E change.

These are subtle but very important features that truly add utility and performance to a scope - stuff they don't talk about in the catalog - nor on YouTube. I gave up worrying about catalog specs a long time ago... let me get behind the scope and learn what it will truly do.

I think the SIII6-24's are the best all around extreme range scopes. The E is fully useable vs the optics and the optics at 24X are some of the clearest you get to look through. We shoot out beyond 1 mile and have no issues seeing impacts or dust offs.

Maybe you can't build a house with an SIII... but where it counts, it works well above its pay grade.

Enjoy.

Jerry

PS Yes, big price jump... pretty much all currency related. All other US imported scopes will feel the same pain once 2014 inventory is gone. If you want that NF and it is "cheap", buy it FAST.
 
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I've compared an SIII (6-24) side by side with my NXS (5.5-22).

Glass on the Sightron was close, but the NXS was still slightly better.. even the Sightron owner agreed. But this difference was barely noticeable, I'm sure lots of people wouldn't tell the difference. Everyone's eyes are different, nor were we comparing mirage between the 2.

Build/robustness between the 2 isn't even a fair comparison, the NXS is built like a tank... Does the average joe need that? That's for each person to decide.

I love Nightforce but generally recommend Sightron to friends that don't want to spend that kind of money and I especially recommend Sightron to people thinking of going the Vortex Viper PST route.
 
Schecter 81 said:
I bought mine about a year ago when he was having a blowout sale. I jumped on it. Again no zero stop model.

Right now though he has a thread with models listed at $1800 and $1900
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1153961-Nightforce-Sale

This is still not much above the SIII.

And I stand corrected about the total MOA of the Sightron. Has there been a change in new models? I thought that I remembered eliminating it from a purchase decision for my .338 Improved because of the limited travel. I may be wrong.
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Ya I looked at that thread. There all discontinued models I believe, or they have a specific BDC reticle. That's why they're priced lower.
 
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