Nightmare of the S.A.M.
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I bought a Ruger SR1911 , it's a nice piece. I'm still pretty green when I comes to platform but it's as accurate as I can shoot it. I'm glad I picked it up. Next 1911 is going to be the Sig scorpion carry.
You forgot to mention the trigger.
How is a guy going to perfect his trigger pull with a perfect trigger?
Until you've mastered the glock trigger you will never know what a proper trigger pull requires! Sure you might be getting good groups with a 1911 and it might shoot exactly where you put the front sight, but that's just a heavy gun and a great trigger hiding all your mistakes.......
Now you've got the idea!
Sorry Rob, a short and scary light SA trigger on a 2lbs plus pistol hides a lot of poor form, its what makes then so popular. No one wants to shoot their pistol at 5 yards to see a 15" pattern, that hurts feelings and doesn't play into people's belief that they're all natural born lovers, drivers, and shooters. You know, "real men know how to shoot. They don't attend a training course or read directions." I've seen very few die hard 1911 fans run a Glock with anything remotely close to the same performance as their hand fitted maintenance intensive dinosaur 1911's. Just saying..
TDC
You can say the same about Glock fan boys and shooting double action only with S&W wheelguns. It's simply poor argument. Master the gun you like and let people enjoy what they like the best. If that's 1911...who cares...well, maybe except for the frustrated folks with some inferiority issues going.
You almost got it right. Its not about "mastering the gun you like". Its about mastering the fundamentals, and most 1911 shooters have a poor understanding of the fundamentals, which is why they bash glocks as having a poor trigger and why they love the light sa trigger on a heavy gun that covers up their inability.
Tdc
People also bash glocks for being plastic, unergonomic, ugly and slippery out of the box.
Best thing going for glock is the price for departments buying in bulk, reliability and easy to swap parts. I don't think I've ever heard any "fanboys" except you TDC, praise the trigger.
People do praise the triggers on other plastic striker guns like the PPQ and the new Sig.
I get that we all like different flavors but I'm not really into bashing the choice of others or being a "fanboy" as they say.
I've been eyeing the SR1911 since the rumours started ... probably will end up getting one.
It's fairly old approach regarding the fundamentals, but I was told that if you would like to master them, you should start with DA trigger on S&W wheelgun.
While I personally believe that this statement has lot of sense, I simply can't understand people coming and raining on the others, just because they have different preference regarding the firearms.
This is a sign of some personal issues and if you can't share the enjoyment of others, just keep these comments for yourself. I don't even own 1911 now and yes, I'm depending on Glock daily.
Like we just can't get along together....
While I personally believe that this statement has lot of sense, I simply can't understand people coming and raining on the others, just because they have different preference regarding the firearms.
This is a sign of some personal issues and if you can't share the enjoyment of others, just keep these comments for yourself. I don't even own 1911 now and yes, I'm depending on Glock daily.
Like we just can't get along together....
Most out of the box 1911's have horrible triggers, many of them much harder to manage than a box stock Glock trigger. Most of the time, for a 1911 trigger to express any real potential it has to be set up by a competent smith. Yes, I know that some CGN'ers out there will have 19/2011 triggers that they are deliriously happy with and they came that way from the factory. But the truth is, most of them aren't that great out of the box and I've handled a lot of them so I'm not talking out of my ass here. I've also seen a lot of guys who thought their triggers were awesome yet were pole-axed when they got the chance to try one that was properly tuned. It's all kind of relative.....
Though I will agree that good fundamentals will carry across all platforms. If you know how to shoot, you'll be able to shoot pretty much anything.
I haven't had my hands inside a SAM so I can't comment on their dimensional tolerance. True custom parts though, are not really drop-in. After market, sure, but drop-in usually means loose. If you are looking for a true custom set-up you will need to have it done by a smith who knows how to fit things properly. That is just the nature of the animal I'm afraid.
Though I will agree that good fundamentals will carry across all platforms. If you know how to shoot, you'll be able to shoot pretty much anything.
I haven't had my hands inside a SAM so I can't comment on their dimensional tolerance. True custom parts though, are not really drop-in. After market, sure, but drop-in usually means loose. If you are looking for a true custom set-up you will need to have it done by a smith who knows how to fit things properly. That is just the nature of the animal I'm afraid.
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Why must it always degenerate to this, a battle over what is better, a Glock or 1911? I have 2 SAM's, and have changed things, such as MSH's, and they need fitting, but that is better than loose.
kschneider
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You don't want your dic*s to fit loose when you use them, why do you want your guns to. Putting a new barrel bushing in a 1911 should not be like throwing a hotdog down a hall. Lol.
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For the win!
I'm a 1911 fan. I can 'run' a Glock just fine, too.
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NAA.
Re read my post, I said MOST.
And there is the other big BS gripe from Glock haters, "they're popular because they're cheap." Well news flash, all guns are cheap when you buy in bulk. By your logic the HiPoint series of turds/pistols should be dominating the market with ease!
As for praising the trigger on a Glock, I never said I did. All I'm saying is that fundamentals trump all, and the Glock trigger is more than serviceable for those who understand and can apply them. There's no doubt a good 1911 has a better trigger, but its the trigger and the weight of the pistol that are giving the user the false belief that they are a "good shot". If you know what you're doing you should be able to pick up any auto and print respectable groups without issue. I have seen very few 1911 guys shoot anything remotely close to a group with a Glock, or a TDA like a SIG for that matter either. The comfort of a system that covers up your poor form is easier to get behind than spending time, money and effort learning to shoot properly.
I never said anything about one being better than the other, it was you who inferred such a debate was occurring. Now that you mention it, yes, a logical person would conclude that a Glock is a superior design than a 1911. Basing this opinion on the sole fact that 1911 parts need to be fitted whereas Glock parts do not, the conclusion is easy for even the most novice firearms enthusiast to figure out. Add in the laundry list of other benefits and only the insane or truly gifted would believe otherwise.
Boys & their toys....
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Tools, not toys NAA. Perhaps many see them as toys or part of their "collection" but please don't include me in either group.
TDC
well I have owned a SAM for a while now, shot it a bit then wanted a gsg .22 kit, just got off the phone with the local gun shop, said that the gun and the kit are working finally and i should have them back next week.
in the mean time I'm thinking about getting the 9mm SAM that is only $450
cant go wrong at that price. really wish i had grabbed that .40 sam that was dirt cheep awhile back.
i know a few guys here turned theirs into 10mm pistols, i would love to hear how they are doing now?
hi kschneider how are ur sams running
in the mean time I'm thinking about getting the 9mm SAM that is only $450
cant go wrong at that price. really wish i had grabbed that .40 sam that was dirt cheep awhile back.
i know a few guys here turned theirs into 10mm pistols, i would love to hear how they are doing now?
hi kschneider
how are ur sams runningI've heard you make this point before and it always makes me laugh. You pick out the single undisputed advantage the 1911 has over a Glock - its outstanding trigger - and hold it up as a disadvantage. This is like saying Glock's inherent reliability and dependability is in fact a disadvantage because it doesn't promote proper cleaning and maintenance discipline like the 1911 most certainly does. Clearly people shoot better with proper fundamentals - no question.
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The first bolded statement doesn't seem logical to me. I would think that a gun that makes hitting the target easier for novice shooters would be a good thing.
As to the second bolded statement; I've seen just as many Glock shooters who can't shoot as 1911 shooters. Probably more even, and Glock shooters don't seem to magically start shooting better when they pick up a 1911. The fact is; if you can't really shoot, a 1911 isn't going to make you any better. The best custom target pistol in the world isn't going to help you if you don't know how to hold the gun in alignment with the target until the bullet exits the muzzle.
Anyway, the op's original question was about the lack of ease in fitting aftermarket upgrades to SAM 1911's. 1911 is an old design and was never created to be modular. It is also the most copied handgun in the world with every maker building them to their own definition of "spec". The fact is, if you like 1911's you just have to accept the fact that they require some, or a lot, or fitting to get them running right. I won't get into a pissing contest about whether that's good or bad relative to any other platform. All that counts is what you personally like. First rule: you'll shoot more if you enjoy what you shoot.
