No 20rd AIA magazines afterall

[CDB18]

From Northern Republic...


In May of 2014 the RCMP had informed Northern Republic Magazine Inc. that magazines for Lee-Enfield variants not using the traditional .303 British magazine did not require a capacity restriction. However, in June of 2014, the RCMP has notified Northern Republic Magazine Inc. that they view the AIA Enfield magazine as a "Dual use" magazine with the M14 rifle, meaning that the capacity rules for semiautomatic rifle magazines should apply.

However, the RCMP have indicated that Section 84 of the Criminal Code of Canada's states that rather than the typical five (5) round limit for semiautomatic rifles, a permissible capacity of ten (10) rounds for the Lee-Enfield rifle applies to the AIA Enfield rifle instead of the five (5) rounds typically associated with magazines that can be used in a semi-automatic firearm.

Northern Republic Magazine Inc. had originally planned to bring the AIA Enfield magazine chambered in .308 Win into Canada with a ten (10) round limit, however the confusion with the RCMP prompted Northern Republic Magazine Inc. to change their marketing to promote an unblocked magazine. We understand that you may have made your purchase of an AIA Enfield magazine with the understanding that there was no capacity restriction on the magazine. However, in order to facilitate the legal import of the AIA magazines in Canada, all magazines with capacity over ten (10) rounds will again be manufactured with a ten (10) cartridge limit in place.

 

[shredder]

Take it to court, the RCMP is going against their own ruling!!

 

[NoTarget]

I'm actually surprised they allowed the 10 round magazine to pass. They probably had no choice since the legislation specifically states the Lee Enfield magazine can have a 10 round capacity.

 

[Pr589]

This has been extensively discussed. It seems that the RCMP is overstepping its bounds again.

There is no "dual use" language in the Act - if the magazine has been designed for use in a firearm with a manually operated action, there is no capacity limit.

If this is taken to court, I don't see how it would be upheld but this is Canada - who is going to risk taking the RCMP to account given the cost and potential other consequences. It is not a battle worth having, just look at what is happening to Bruce Montague for civil disobedience.

 

[Cifyra]

It wouldn't be much but I'd still donate a little bit for anyone willing to start a class action lawsuit.

 

[Ace604]

Cant decide if they are still worth 80+ $ a piece to me at 10 rds...
Not sure what my 25 rounder will be good for except being longer now.


Any time frame on cancelling the order being valid "no penalties incurred"?

 

[fenceline]

It wouldn't be much but I'd still donate a little bit for anyone willing to start a class action lawsuit.

For one or two mag designs? Why not go all in and try for no mag restrictions at all? Too many bandaid solutions being offered.

Dual use, but still ok at ten rounds. Hypocrites.

 

[Pr589]

While this "ruling" only affects a small part of the firearms community and it feels like a toy has been taken from us prematurely, I wonder if the RCMP ever consider that their willingness to side-step the law erodes broader respect for them and the law in general.

Seems like an ill-found position for any law enforcement body to take.

 

[nowarningshot]

Making up their own rules again.

Course it didn't help all the DA people talking about the M14 in the thread. I actually have and like my AIA. Nice rugged gun for the wet coast. I just changed my order to three 10's.

 

[Pr589]

Course it didn't help all the DA people talking about the M14 in the thread.

Kinda like all the DA people who bought Swiss Arms rifles assuming that the RCMP would be above-board and consistent with their decisions. Perhaps if there were DA discussions before they were sold broadly, then the risk of a change in their status might have averted the mess we currently have.

 

[Grove]

Take it to court, the RCMP is going against their own ruling!!

X2 complete BS and making things up out of thin air to screw the people over.

 

[Sporting Lad]

I'll take the ten

Yeah, I got this email from maggie man today. I've decided to stay the course (ie not axe for a refund) and accept a ten in place of the 20 rounder
I ordered. Look on the bright side: Ten is TWICE AS MANY as we have now! ;0 )

Truth is, I was expecting this turn of events. Rant if you will, but this is one battle we will not win in court given the recent news of Canadian mass murderers, cop killings and tradesmen going postal over the past few weeks. I wouldn't expect much in the way of public sympathy if we were to
start whining about how we want larger mag capacities than the ten rounders they just granted us.
We keep harping on it, next thing they'll do is ban the M-14 altogether like the did the Swiss. Fiat d'accomplii!
("Hah, take that, you crazy gun nut wankers!").

Besides, any time I really feel the need for a 20, I won't need anyone else's help to make that happen

OR... You could let your 20-25 order stand on the off-chance the RCMP'll change their mind and you will receive your hi-cap mag in the post next month (as unlikely as that may be).

So cheer up, Charlie; it's still Canada, despite Herr Harper.

 

[onetwentyish]

For one or two mag designs? Why not go all in and try for no mag restrictions at all? Too many bandaid solutions being offered.

Dual use, but still ok at ten rounds. Hypocrites.

Well said from a man who knows his subject!

 

[fenceline]

Email NRM...

1) If you ordered 20 rounder, and want to switch to 10 rounders, you will have to cancel your first order and re-order the tens. It has to do with their ordering system not being able to edit the original orders.

2) NRM will be posting the official "ruling" from the RCMP on their site. I would print one off, and add it to your range bag to go along with any other RCMP magazine bulletins one may carry.

 

[dan belisle]

While this "ruling" only affects a small part of the firearms community and it feels like a toy has been taken from us prematurely, I wonder if the RCMP ever consider that their willingness to side-step the law erodes broader respect for them and the law in general.

Seems like an ill-found position for any law enforcement body to take.

You're a gun owner, a little lower then pedophile or dog scat in their view. - dan

 

[Andurp]

So, how I read this is, the RCMP implied it was okay so companies would invest money in starting up production, then came and said "Lol sorry bro we changed our mind xD"

And people wonder I don't trust or respect the RCMP.

 

[wd113]

Well, I'll still wait for mine.... 10 is better than 5....

 

[J996]

Well I'm not surprised anymore. Just some more lawmaking by people who are only supposed to enforce existing laws. Credibility zero.

 

[dr1953]

Well I'm not surprised anymore. Just some more lawmaking by people who are only supposed to enforce existing laws. Credibility zero.

Can't say this surprises me. I cringed when people posted they were looking forward to using the higher capacity mag in their M305's and then what happened back East with the POS using an M305 or equivalent rifle. I will be happy with the 4 - 10 round mags I will be ordering for my 2 AIA's.

 

[tyc147]

Woo. RCMP , M14,